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Re: Bears #55 @ CBB Central preseason top 100

Postby BEARZ77 » August 26th, 2019, 4:21 pm

If you went with a fair representation P-5 +BE would equal 2 and not more than 3 members on a 10 person committee. There are 347 D-1 programs and P-5 +BE is 75 or 21.6% . We hear all the time that it is a fair and impartial process so there should be no concern from the Bigs about the representation being tied to actual # of schools represented. Just saying........
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Postby glm38 » August 26th, 2019, 6:11 pm

BEARZ77 wrote:I know everyone likes to talk about multiple teams, and the committee's bias and on and on. But it still comes down to individual teams scheduling well enough in the noncon to have quality wins, winning a majority of those games and then navigating the conference race and tourney in good fashion. When our top teams haven't gotten bids after losing in the conference tourney, it's been the case of not having high level noncon wins plain and simple. I'm not negating bias, but the map for making it as an at large is clear, and there is little margin for error. RPI is virtually meaningless, you have to get quad 1/2 wins and avoid bad losses.

Speaking about MSU, we have games against Xavier, LSU, VCU, Miami of Fla., and possibly Florida. We have a home game with Murray State you have to win. Give me 2-3 wins against the p-5 teams, finish the conference season with 4 or less losses and play on Sunday in STL and you go dancing I bet. I'm sure other Valley teams have similar opportunities. Just do it !!


Agree. I know ISUr's recent season was mentioned (when they won 27 games). They didn't make the ncaa tournament BUT their non con was pretty weak as it has been most years under Muller.
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Re: Bears #55 @ CBB Central preseason top 100

Postby Adunk33 » August 27th, 2019, 11:06 am

glm38 wrote:
BEARZ77 wrote:I know everyone likes to talk about multiple teams, and the committee's bias and on and on. But it still comes down to individual teams scheduling well enough in the noncon to have quality wins, winning a majority of those games and then navigating the conference race and tourney in good fashion. When our top teams haven't gotten bids after losing in the conference tourney, it's been the case of not having high level noncon wins plain and simple. I'm not negating bias, but the map for making it as an at large is clear, and there is little margin for error. RPI is virtually meaningless, you have to get quad 1/2 wins and avoid bad losses.

Speaking about MSU, we have games against Xavier, LSU, VCU, Miami of Fla., and possibly Florida. We have a home game with Murray State you have to win. Give me 2-3 wins against the p-5 teams, finish the conference season with 4 or less losses and play on Sunday in STL and you go dancing I bet. I'm sure other Valley teams have similar opportunities. Just do it !!


Agree. I know ISUr's recent season was mentioned (when they won 27 games). They didn't make the ncaa tournament BUT their non con was pretty weak as it has been most years under Muller.


I will say their schedule wasn't great that year, but a lot of that was back or front halves of H/H (or MVC-MWC Challenge) where the other team didn't have a great season. Like Murray State (16-17), New Mexico (17-14), Tulsa (15-17), and St. Joes (11-20). Each team was project to be top 125. But yeah, it ended up being a weak schedule.

But saying Muller's scheduled have been weak in his time at ISUr is just wrong. Do you remember Tim Jankovich and how he scheduled? He would get 25 wins a year beating the likes of Winston-Salem State, IUPUI, St. Bonne (before they were anything). Muller's schedule's have been 1000x better. Here are some highlights:
In his first season(12-13), a lot of the schedule was set but he added:
A H/H with Drexel, At No.5 Louisville, and a H/H with Dayton who spent the next few years in the Top 25, while playing in South Padre losing to Northwestern By 3 in OT.

13-14: At No.14 VCU, return game with Drexel, at Northwestern (was supposed to be a H/H but they cancelled when we beat them), a H/H with Manhattan (had been to the NCAAs), return game with No.25 Dayton, and a H/H with Depaul.

14-15: H/H with Utah State, return game with VCU, H/H with UAB, return game to Depaul, fresh H/H with Murray State.

15-16- Had No.2 Maryland on the ropes, at TCU, At No.1 Kentucky (Birds lost by 12 while shooting 10 fts, UK shot 46), return with UAB and Murray State, H/H with St. Joes

17-18: H/H with Dunk City- FGCU, Tusla, H/H BYU,H/H Ole Miss, return with Murray State

18-19: FGCU return, H/H with Belmont, return with BYU, and Ole Miss, and a H/H with UCF

I wouldn't call any of these schedules weak by any means. Obviously there we also some D2 games and some team's bought to come to RBA like Tennessee State or whatever, but overall-especially considering the previous coach, this is significantly better. This seasons is probably the weakest of all the non-cons so far, but with a new team, it will be difficult for them.
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Re: Bears #55 @ CBB Central preseason top 100

Postby glm38 » August 27th, 2019, 2:39 pm

Yeah I stand corrected on Muller's historical scheduling. I had him mixed up with Jank I guess.

But I do still think they would have made the big dance that 27 win year if the schedule had been stronger despite falling in the conference tournament.
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Re: Bears #55 @ CBB Central preseason top 100

Postby Adunk33 » August 27th, 2019, 3:16 pm

glm38 wrote:Yeah I stand corrected on Muller's historical scheduling. I had him mixed up with Jank I guess.

But I do still think they would have made the big dance that 27 win year if the schedule had been stronger despite falling in the conference tournament.


Agreed! The schedule didn't turn out to be as good as it was supposed to be, and them getting rocked by Wichita State twice didn't help as those three games were the only ones the committee likely watched.

Janks scheduling was (and still is) abysmal. He was at ISU and seems to be at SMU all concerned with raising his own victory numbers. Just as a peek of last season: Northwestern State, Southern Miss (Loss), Western Carolina, Bradley (loss), Wright State (1 point win), Lamar, McNeese State, Oral Roberts, and Cornell.

These games accounted for 7 of their 15 total wins. #Janked
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Re: Bears #55 @ CBB Central preseason top 100

Postby glm38 » August 27th, 2019, 4:16 pm

LOL. Haven't heard that term "janked" in years.
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Re: Bears #55 @ CBB Central preseason top 100

Postby Adunk33 » August 28th, 2019, 7:45 am

glm38 wrote:LOL. Haven't heard that term "janked" in years.


Janked:
Definition 1: Scheduling soft to inflate your own win/loss record.
Definition 2: Never having an in-bounds play under your own basket and just throwing the ball to the other side of half court.
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Re: Bears #55 @ CBB Central preseason top 100

Postby Kyle@MOState » August 28th, 2019, 11:42 am

Adunk33 wrote:
glm38 wrote:LOL. Haven't heard that term "janked" in years.


Janked:
Definition 1: Scheduling soft to inflate your own win/loss record.
Definition 2: Never having an in-bounds play under your own basket and just throwing the ball to the other side of half court.


It sounds very similar to Lusked.... Although Lusk could schedule soft and still not achieve an inflated win/loss record partly due to definition 2.

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Re: Bears #55 @ CBB Central preseason top 100

Postby Kip Dynamite » August 29th, 2019, 7:34 am

Lusked: To lose incessantly in every imaginable way possible. To be unprepared, outmanned, and out coached. A person who is paid at a level much higher than they're worth.
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