SI article from CNN

[Ferd Berfel]

I am surprised that Gene Stephenson's name was not on the list, he seems to be a sucker for every con man out there.

[MoValley John]

I am surprised that Gene Stephenson's name was not on the list, he seems to be a sucker for every con man out there.

Rumor has it he also makes poor decisions when around chicks,too!

[oneNEIGHBOR]

"We cannot find any evidence or documentation that David Salinas was a donor either to Wichita State University or the WSU-ICAA (athletics)," athletic director Eric Sexton said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/21/194265 ... z1SmSiOTUN

[agrinut]

"We cannot find any evidence or documentation that David Salinas was a donor either to Wichita State University or the WSU-ICAA (athletics)," athletic director Eric Sexton said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/21/194265 ... z1SmSiOTUN

That was a very quick internal investigation. According to the Radio down here the NCAA has started an investigation into MT, they didnt say what time period they were looking at. Just fishy water at this point, but Toure being a product of that system wont help the shocks any.

[Khan4Cats]

"We cannot find any evidence or documentation that David Salinas was a donor either to Wichita State University or the WSU-ICAA (athletics)," athletic director Eric Sexton said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/21/194265 ... z1SmSiOTUN

That was a very quick internal investigation. According to the Radio down here the NCAA has started an investigation into MT, they didnt say what time period they were looking at. Just fishy water at this point, but Toure being a product of that system wont help the shocks any.

Not hard to do a quick check of donor lists and ticket purchases. Unless, of course, you're Mizzou and can't put together anything alphabetically.

[MoValley John]

Toure Murry was not recruited by MT. He was recruited by Gregg Marshall. A quick check of the Shockernet recruiting forum gives a rough timeline of his recruitment.

It is very apparent that Turgeon was mixed up with Salinas, but Marshall was not. And to the best of my recollection, from the AD to the head coach to the present assistants, there has been a complete turnover in the Shocker basketball program and nobody has any connctions to the crook. If Mark Turgeon was buying AAU players for Wichita State, who did he buy? It wasn't Toure Murry.

Here is a link to Murry's recruiting thread. http://shockernet.net/sn/viewtopic.php?t=8602&highlight=toure+muury

Whatever Turgeon did or didn't do at Wichita State, it was at least five years ago and almost impossible for anyone to prove. I'm not saying he didn't do anything, I'm simply saying that as of yet, there is nothing.

[Aargh]

"We cannot find any evidence or documentation that David Salinas was a donor either to Wichita State University or the WSU-ICAA (athletics)," athletic director Eric Sexton said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/07/21/194265 ... z1SmSiOTUN

That was a very quick internal investigation. According to the Radio down here the NCAA has started an investigation into MT, they didnt say what time period they were looking at. Just fishy water at this point, but Toure being a product of that system wont help the shocks any.

Here's what would have to have happened for WSU to be in trouble. Turgeon would have to have knowingly made a bad investment. Salinas stole the money and would have to have given Murry a cut of it, using his psychic powers to figure out that the next coach at WSU would recruit Murry. Then, when Murry signed his LOI, he rewarded the aTm coach by signing with WSU.

Turg left WSU around the end of March, 2007. Marshall started at WSU April 17. 2007. The first report of WSU showing interest in Murry was in July, 2007 - after Marshall hired an assistant who had been at Rice (which is in Houston) for 13 years. Marty Gross was the guy who found Murry - not Turgeon. WSU didn't even offer Murry until September, 2007.

If that's the theory of why the Shox might be implicated, I'm not real worried about it. As greedy as Turgeon is, he'd NEVER use his own money to buy a player, and then tell that player to go to the school where Turgeon used to coach.

[BEARZ77]

Aargh and MoValley, I think you overlook a very possible scenario that would scare me if I was WSU. Let's say hypothetically a coach[ MT] is told by someone who owns an investment firm but also runs a AAU program, if you invest $$$ with me, I will guarantee that your University is hyped and promoted to the players in my AAU program and that over 2-4 years I guarantee at least 1-2 three star signings.You're just investing money in a good company and I'm just making sure kids in my program know about you. Players sign with Universities, not coaches as we all know when coaches leave, and coaches are paid representatives of said Universities. So now the process is initiated , not with a paticular player, but with an AAU program. A year later the coach[MT] leaves that University but players have been and are still being promoted to attend said University. One shows interest and the new coaching staff gets involved and he ultimately signs. Neither the player or the new coaching staff would necessarily know anything about the process; all the player knows is his AAU coaches have always been high on a couple Universities and talked them up to him.

Clearly that player has been bought to a degree, not directly and not with his knowledge, but the University has profitted from it's paid employee buying thru investment dollars influence in the recruiting process, and that would clearly be an NCAA violation by the University signing the player. Not saying that's what happened, just saying it would be premature to think because Murrey signed after Turgeon was gone that his dollars couldn't be involved. I don't think that is a far fetched possibility of how things operate.

[MoValley John]

Aargh and MoValley, I think you overlook a very possible scenario that would scare me if I was WSU. Let's say hypothetically a coach[ MT] is told by someone who owns an investment firm but also runs a AAU program, if you invest $$$ with me, I will guarantee that your University is hyped and promoted to the players in my AAU program and that over 2-4 years I guarantee at least 1-2 three star signings.You're just investing money in a good company and I'm just making sure kids in my program know about you. Players sign with Universities, not coaches as we all know when coaches leave, and coaches are paid representatives of said Universities. So now the process is initiated , not with a paticular player, but with an AAU program. A year later the coach[MT] leaves that University but players have been and are still being promoted to attend said University. One shows interest and the new coaching staff gets involved and he ultimately signs. Neither the player or the new coaching staff would necessarily know anything about the process; all the player knows is his AAU coaches have always been high on a couple Universities and talked them up to him.

Clearly that player has been bought to a degree, not directly and not with his knowledge, but the University has profitted from it's paid employee buying thru investment dollars influence in the recruiting process, and that would clearly be an NCAA violation by the University signing the player. Not saying that's what happened, just saying it would be premature to think because Murrey signed after Turgeon was gone that his dollars couldn't be involved. I don't think that is a far fetched possibility of how things operate.

Except for one little detail. And this is a detail I mentioned long ago. If you can't produce a document, you really don't have anything. Well, as I also said earlier, you could also get an admission from Salinas. Then again, I'd bet all the money in China that he's not talking. I'd be very surprised if Salinas says anything...

[BEARZ77]

But what if one of those AAU coaches comes forward and says I was told by the owner to specifically promote these programs because they paid for the right. There's a lot pf people who would have been involved in the process still alive.