MVC basketball previews

[Aargh]

"Worst thing ever" is over the top and overly harsh. But...

Jank arrives and then.....

'07-'08 25-10 (13-5) NIT 2nd round
'08-'09 24-10 (11-7) NIT 1st round
'09-'10 22-11 (11-7) NIT 1st round
'10-'11 12-19 (4-14)

That looks like Jank inherited a pretty good team and dismantled it.

Maybe I'm too judgmental on Jank because he's a KU guy and seems to have a KU attitude.

[BirdmanBB]

i'm probably being ignorant here, but whats the KU attitude?

[45otseoj]

That looks like Jank inherited a pretty good team and dismantled it.

Jank has had some serious bad luck with recruiting these past few years, especially when it comes to guards. When we brought in Terry Johnson and Justin Clark recruiting experts were raving about Jank's ability to recruit and the promising future of Redbird basketball. Johnson decided to transfer to UW-GB after a disappointing freshman campaign, and Clark, touted as the 'next Osiris,' will be playing for D2 NW Missouri St. this season. What twists the knife even harder is that D.J. Cooper at Ohio U. was on the verge of committing to ISU when Johnson jumped on the ride first.

I'll give Jank this though. The schedule was horrendous, and now we're in a legitimate MTE tournament in Cancun with 2 BCSers and 2 tourney teams from last season. The guard play was horrendous, and he brought in, what looks like, a very good group of back-court players made up of both high school players that could have gone higher had they not signed early and juco guards (Tyler Brown chose ISU over WSU) that should help immediately.

But if this group flames out like the last highly touted group did, we will be looking for a new coach.

[Aargh]

i'm probably being ignorant here, but whats the KU attitude?

Arrogant. Elitist. Snobbish. Entitled. Superior.

The better players "belong" at the better schools. Kansas State, Nebraska, Iowa State, etc. certainly aren't the "better" schools, so you can imagine where they think the MVC stands in the type of recruits an MVC school "should" get.

Turgeon even made some statements that he only went after the recruits he thought belonged "at this level".

The attitude probably extends to it being pointless to put a really good team on the court because it's just not possible at the level of the MVC, so soften up the schedule, rack up impressive W/L records by consistently beating cream puffs (BCS scheduling) and get into a real coaching job as fast as possible. Get to a school that's worthy of a KU guy, because that's not an MVC school.

[pawball]

i'm probably being ignorant here, but whats the KU attitude?

Arrogant. Elitist. Snobbish. Entitled. Superior.

The better players "belong" at the better schools. Kansas State, Nebraska, Iowa State, etc. certainly aren't the "better" schools, so you can imagine where they think the MVC stands in the type of recruits an MVC school "should" get.

Turgeon even made some statements that he only went after the recruits he thought belonged "at this level".

The attitude probably extends to it being pointless to put a really good team on the court because it's just not possible at the level of the MVC, so soften up the schedule, rack up impressive W/L records by consistently beating cream puffs (BCS scheduling) and get into a real coaching job as fast as possible. Get to a school that's worthy of a KU guy, because that's not an MVC school.

What you're witnessing is the Wichita attitude.

[AndShock]

i'm probably being ignorant here, but whats the KU attitude?

Arrogant. Elitist. Snobbish. Entitled. Superior.

The better players "belong" at the better schools. Kansas State, Nebraska, Iowa State, etc. certainly aren't the "better" schools, so you can imagine where they think the MVC stands in the type of recruits an MVC school "should" get.

Turgeon even made some statements that he only went after the recruits he thought belonged "at this level".

The attitude probably extends to it being pointless to put a really good team on the court because it's just not possible at the level of the MVC, so soften up the schedule, rack up impressive W/L records by consistently beating cream puffs (BCS scheduling) and get into a real coaching job as fast as possible. Get to a school that's worthy of a KU guy, because that's not an MVC school.

What you're witnessing is the Wichita attitude.

Swing and a miss.

Also, this is some blatant trolling. Put this guy on mod-approval posting.

[Aargh]

i'm probably being ignorant here, but whats the KU attitude?

Arrogant. Elitist. Snobbish. Entitled. Superior.

The better players "belong" at the better schools. Kansas State, Nebraska, Iowa State, etc. certainly aren't the "better" schools, so you can imagine where they think the MVC stands in the type of recruits an MVC school "should" get.

Turgeon even made some statements that he only went after the recruits he thought belonged "at this level".

The attitude probably extends to it being pointless to put a really good team on the court because it's just not possible at the level of the MVC, so soften up the schedule, rack up impressive W/L records by consistently beating cream puffs (BCS scheduling) and get into a real coaching job as fast as possible. Get to a school that's worthy of a KU guy, because that's not an MVC school.

What you're witnessing is the Wichita attitude.

WSU fans have a bit of that attitude. Us old timers remember when a top 3 finish in the Valley meant a top 20 finish in the nation. Then we watched schools like Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati leave the Valley and be replaced by teams moving into D1 from D2.

Instead of the Valley providing consistent games against top-20 programs, the Valley was giving WSU games against teams transitioning from D2 to D1. The Valley's reputation gave those schools tremendous recruiting ability and they improved quickly. The diminished competition hurt WSU's ability to recruit.

However, if you think WSU fans have that attitude, please come live in Kansas a couple of years and try to be a WSU supporter. The "KU attitude" puts WSU, UNI, SIU, and every other MVC team in the same category as the teams that make up our exhibition schedules.

[valleychamp]

WSU fans have a bit of that attitude. Us old timers remember when a top 3 finish in the Valley meant a top 20 finish in the nation. Then we watched schools like Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati leave the Valley and be replaced by teams moving into D1 from D2.

Instead of the Valley providing consistent games against top-20 programs, the Valley was giving WSU games against teams transitioning from D2 to D1. The Valley's reputation gave those schools tremendous recruiting ability and they improved quickly. The diminished competition hurt WSU's ability to recruit.

However, if you think WSU fans have that attitude, please come live in Kansas a couple of years and try to be a WSU supporter. The "KU attitude" puts WSU, UNI, SIU, and every other MVC team in the same category as the teams that make up our exhibition schedules.

Woe is me. Almost every school has to put up with that same kind of crap. Whether it is Hawkeyes, Cornhuskers, Illini, Tigers, or Hoosiers. Nobody is going to feel sorry for you as we are all in the same boat.

Nice whiney story you had there, by the way, blaming others for the lack of success at your own school. I'm sure Memphis' 5 year stint in the MVC was the real linchpin for the conference, and their leaving is why Wichita State began missing the NCAA tournament.

[valleychamp]

And I'll also add, that when schools like cincy, memphis, and louisville departed the MVC, they were replaced by schools like New Mexico St, SIU, Ill St, and Indy St. All of which had attained significant success before their entrance into the valley, and all of which were able to attain significant success after their entrance into the valley.

[Aargh]

we are all in the same boat.

Help me out here. When was it that UNI was in the number 1 ranked basketball conference in D1? WSU got a F4 and an E8 before the MVC was diluted with a bunch of D2 teams. WSU had multiple stretches of teams ranked in the top 10 in the polls.

WSU played in one of the top basketball conferences in the nation from some time in the '50's until some time in the '70's.

I shouldn't blame the teams that joined the MVC, I should blame the idiot WSU admins who elected to stay in the MVC.

I've watched the #1 and #2 teams in the polls duke it out on the court at WSU. I've watched many games where both teams were ranked in the top 10 in the polls. WSU used to get several of those home games every year.

When UNI gets a #1 or #2 national rank and gets the team that's either #1 or #2 on their home floor, then I'll gladly accept the "same boat" comment.

The argument that the addition of D2 teams to the Valley didn't hurt WSU is really weak. As long as WSU was playing top-10 teams, WSU was recruiting players at that level. When WSU started getting schedules that included transitional D2 school instead of top-20 schools, the ability to recruit was seriously compromised.

That affected the level of coaches WSU was able to hire - and there were some huge hiring errors about that time.

Long-time WSU fans have watched WSU's conference go from #1 nationally to as low as #14 nationally. But WSU fans aren't supposed to blame the conference, or any teams added to the conference for the fact that WSU basketball is only a skeleton of what it was when I became a WSU fan.