If Creighton leaves, I'm going to miss the Valley

[saluki762]

And then they have Charles Koch standing by who has said in the past, that he will give money when it makes sense for the university.

Too bad about the knee, though.

It is also bad that his philanthropic deeds cannot overshadow that fact that he and his brother are terrible human beings who are actively trying to destroy America as we know it.

[Kyle]

Something tells me if CU leaves, UNI will continue playing them on a regular basis. In this way, Panther fans are not going to miss CU and Bluejay fans will continue enjoying the semi-regular loss at the hands of Gregg's best friend.

[Deanthonybowdenfan]

I'm curious as to why you and others feel this way. With providence, sh, depaul, and Sj, that's 3 road wins and 4 home wins in a good year. Butler, nova and Xavier are washes, and we are a little behind Marquette and gt ( ok a lot). A couple of upsets both ways, and we we are anywhere from 9-9 to 13-5 in conference. Maybe better, maybe worse. That's enough for an at large most years out of this league. Now up the recruiting with more money and exposure, and we close the gap on the top two.

The big east is in line for 6 bids out of 12 members if it was going this year. A good league for sure, but we are far from the bottom feeders. Hard to believe we would drop in competitiveness from where we have been the last 15 years. As for the mcd arguement, people said we would drop off after sears, korver, funk, tollivar, and young too. But I am open to an intellectual discussion as to why I am wrong.

You are not wrong. It makes no sense why certain people think that being in the Big East will make us consistently a worse basketball team, as opposed to being in the Valley. The opposite is the reality. We should recruit better, and therefor improve from where we have been. And if we really are finishing 6th or 7th consistently in the Big East, which I highly doubt, we will be squarely on the bubble every year. I think this is exactly what Creighton needs, as we have pretty much reached our ceiling in the Valley. When you have won 12 conference championships (combining tournament and regular season) in the last 15 years, Its hard to improve off of that. We need a higher level of competition to elevate our program and also elevate our recruiting. No matter how good you do year in and year out, a big factor in recruiting is simply the conference you are in.

[saluki762]

I'm curious as to why you and others feel this way. With providence, sh, depaul, and Sj, that's 3 road wins and 4 home wins in a good year. Butler, nova and Xavier are washes, and we are a little behind Marquette and gt ( ok a lot). A couple of upsets both ways, and we we are anywhere from 9-9 to 13-5 in conference. Maybe better, maybe worse. That's enough for an at large most years out of this league. Now up the recruiting with more money and exposure, and we close the gap on the top two.

The big east is in line for 6 bids out of 12 members if it was going this year. A good league for sure, but we are far from the bottom feeders. Hard to believe we would drop in competitiveness from where we have been the last 15 years. As for the mcd arguement, people said we would drop off after sears, korver, funk, tollivar, and young too. But I am open to an intellectual discussion as to why I am wrong.

You are not wrong. It makes no sense why certain people think that being in the Big East will make us consistently a worse basketball team, as opposed to being in the Valley. The opposite is the reality. We should recruit better, and therefor improve from where we have been. And if we really are finishing 6th or 7th consistently in the Big East, which I highly doubt, we will be squarely on the bubble every year. I think this is exactly what Creighton needs, as we have pretty much reached our ceiling in the Valley. When you have won 12 conference championships (combining tournament and regular season) in the last 15 years, Its hard to improve off of that. We need a higher level of competition to elevate our program and also elevate our recruiting. No matter how good you do year in and year out, a big factor in recruiting is simply the conference you are in.

I think Creighton would be foolish not to make this move.

See Gonzaga if you really think you have hit a peak in the Valley, it could be so much better than what Creighton has done.

[Deanthonybowdenfan]

I was about to say Gonzaga is the exception. It's possible yes, but really it is very rare to do what he has done there. The reason being, simply because of the league you play in, it is harder to get as good of recruits.

[saluki762]

I was about to say Gonzaga is the exception. It's possible yes, but really it is very rare to do what he has done there. The reason being, simply because of the league you play in, it is harder to get as good of recruits.

Xavier?

[Aargh]

CU has reached the peak of what they can do in this league? The MVC is consistently one of the top 2 or so leagues outside the power 6. Butler, Gonzaga, and VCU, even George Mason have achieved WAy more than CU has.

CU is playing in a tougher conference than those teams about 4 years out of 5 (I just made that up, but it sounds right).

With all of CU's NCAA appearances, do they have more NCAA wins in the last 10 years than SIU, WSU, BU, or UNI?


This site will have improved tolerability when CU trots off to see how suburban HORSE plays on the East Coast.

[C0|db|00ded]

The toys will be different? You sound as if you expect to be signing 4 and 5 star players in the new league. Trust me friend, Kentucky and the rest of the BCS crowd aren't worried about the Catholic basketball league.

Now, I want you to listen to my words very closely BJ. The wisdom I am about to impart is going to feel like a glass of cold water on your brain. It will be startling, but it will be good because you will become wiser.

The catholic schools have split from the Big East leaving behind Cincinnati, Louisville, Connecticut, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Notre Dame. They plan on replacing those teams with schools like Xavier, Butler, Creighton, Dayton, Saint Louis, or Richmond. What should be abundantly clear at this moment is that the new "Big East" ain't the old Big East. All of the at-large bids the Big East receives each year is due to the tremendous assortment of powerful basketball programs - most of which the catholics are leaving behind.

Georgetown and Villanova have been strong programs as of late but they will surely suffer in recruiting and eventually quality of play due to having the likes of Butler and Dayton on their schedule instead of Uconn and Syracuse. Whatever bump the Butler's and the Dayton's of the basketball world receive in their program, it will be at the expense of the rest of the catholic 7. And the two premier C7 teams, Villanova and Georgetown will suffer the most.

So you may ask, what does this mean for BJ? I think BJ should go and see what happens. I predict that the new catholic alliance is going to crumble when the two premier programs start to see their programs slide and see the other leagues rise significantly in comparison. Fox will cancel or greatly reduce the TV contract payout on renewal and GTown and Nova will bolt for whatever BCS league will let them in.

This is an absolutely huge risk for Georgetown and Villanova and I see basically no upside for them. There is no way on God's green earth that it is better for them to be flying into Omaha, NE than Storrs-Mansfield, CT.


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[Drakey]

I'm glad to see Creighton has to stick around for another year and hopefully Dougie will move on instead of wasting another year in the Valley. How will Creighton finish in the Valley next year after losing McDermott and the Seniors? They weren't exactly dominating with them.

[Deanthonybowdenfan]

LOL finally some decent trash talk. Obviously your points are 95% retarded but you spent a lot of effort trying to make them look good.

1. It is a lot harder to do much better than we have done on a consistent basis, being in the Valley. As compared to how hard it would be in the Big East, again the recruiting kind of has a plateau effect when your in a league like the Valley.
2. I wouldn't call what Creighton does suburban HORSE, and if you do call it that it's pretty sad your great WSU team can't beat a suburban HORSE team.
3. This thread topic was how a Jays fan is going to miss the Valley, it was classy and respectful. Yet WSU fans turn it into a pissing match again, which is not a very good idea considering you just lost two championship games to us in only the last 10 days.