UIC a good fit for Valley?

[uniftw]

We are in the CIT (yeah, I know..., but it's a start for us after being down for so long) and we come to Cedar Rapids this Saturday to play Northern Iowa. Maybe you can tune in to watch. Those CIT games are on the collegeinsider.com site.

No you aren't.....


If you want in the conference you're going to have to learn how to actually get to the universities in the conference

[unipanther99]

We are in the CIT (yeah, I know..., but it's a start for us after being down for so long) and we come to Cedar Rapids this Saturday to play Northern Iowa. Maybe you can tune in to watch. Those CIT games are on the collegeinsider.com site.

If your team is going to Cedar Rapids, it's going to be an easy victory for our Panthers.

[Chuck A]

Okay. It's Cedar Falls. So crucify me. The next time I make a post I'll make sure my spelling is correct and that I know the location of all of the Valley schools. That's the least I can do as this seems to be a qualification for inclusion into the MVC.

[DUBulldog]

Okay. It's Cedar Falls. So crucify me. The next time I make a post I'll make sure my spelling is correct and that I know the location of all of the Valley schools. That's the least I can do as this seems to be a qualification for inclusion into the MVC.

Nobody was bagging on your spelling.

[Chuck A]

You know what DUBulldog? I thought you were ripping my spelling. In your first post after my initial one, you mentioned something about my "last sentence". I wrote, "I'd love to here..." instead of, "I'd love to hear..." I thought you were bagging on that misspelling. After reading it again however, you were just talking about the private school issue. My apologies.

[DUBulldog]

You know what DUBulldog? I thought you were ripping my spelling. In your first post after my initial one, you mentioned something about my "last sentence". I wrote, "I'd love to here..." instead of, "I'd love to hear..." I thought you were bagging on that misspelling. After reading it again however, you were just talking about the private school issue. My apologies.

Not a problem....I had tried to explain, but I'm guessing you didn't initially see me second post.

[Shocktop42]

for those of you who are on the private school side of things.... Why does this matter to you? I am a WSU grad so I don't have your perspective but i would love to get a better understanding of what drives that desire? Academics? Mission? Something else? What does being private have to do with basketball and athletics in general?

There are a few reasons for me:

1. When it comes to non-revenue sports, where a good portion of the student-athletes aren't on scholarship (or on partial scholarship), the privates are at a competitive disadvantage, simply because of the cost of tuition. This isn't really an issue in basketball, where all the teams have 13 guys on full schoarship.

2. Because Drake is more similar to Bradley or Creighton (in the types of programs offered), those schools tend to compete for a lot of the same students (not student athletes). This, to me, intensifies the rivalry with those schools.

3. For no logical reason, I just prefer to see my school competing against schools that are more similar. When you are a school of 4000-5000, there is some inherent disadvantage when competing against schools that are 3-5 times as large. It is certainly not insurmountable, as many privates have had great success, but for the most part, public schools dominate athletics.

If this is really about the school mission/size and non-revenue generating sports, why does the MVC continue to fight this Public/Private issue? The new big east decided to go all private (and non-football) in order to have like minded universities together. To say that we want to add another private to keep the balance sounds good in theory but what do the public schools get out of adding another private school or visa versa.

It would make more sense to have the MVC either be all private or all public. Since the Horizon and MVC seem to overlap (well not really but the schools do have similar georgraphy), it's almost as if we should do a swap. We will trade our privates for some of their publics. The talent level between the two conference might even be the same overall.

[DUBulldog]

for those of you who are on the private school side of things.... Why does this matter to you? I am a WSU grad so I don't have your perspective but i would love to get a better understanding of what drives that desire? Academics? Mission? Something else? What does being private have to do with basketball and athletics in general?

There are a few reasons for me:

1. When it comes to non-revenue sports, where a good portion of the student-athletes aren't on scholarship (or on partial scholarship), the privates are at a competitive disadvantage, simply because of the cost of tuition. This isn't really an issue in basketball, where all the teams have 13 guys on full schoarship.

2. Because Drake is more similar to Bradley or Creighton (in the types of programs offered), those schools tend to compete for a lot of the same students (not student athletes). This, to me, intensifies the rivalry with those schools.

3. For no logical reason, I just prefer to see my school competing against schools that are more similar. When you are a school of 4000-5000, there is some inherent disadvantage when competing against schools that are 3-5 times as large. It is certainly not insurmountable, as many privates have had great success, but for the most part, public schools dominate athletics.

If this is really about the school mission/size and non-revenue generating sports, why does the MVC continue to fight this Public/Private issue? The new big east decided to go all private (and non-football) in order to have like minded universities together. To say that we want to add another private to keep the balance sounds good in theory but what do the public schools get out of adding another private school or visa versa.

It would make more sense to have the MVC either be all private or all public. Since the Horizon and MVC seem to overlap (well not really but the schools do have similar georgraphy), it's almost as if we should do a swap. We will trade our privates for some of their publics. The talent level between the two conference might even be the same overall.

Can't disagree with anything you said.

[uniftw]

Okay. It's Cedar Falls. So crucify me. The next time I make a post I'll make sure my spelling is correct and that I know the location of all of the Valley schools. That's the least I can do as this seems to be a qualification for inclusion into the MVC.

It's not a huge deal the first time...it better not happen again though

A very quick way to lose all credibility, for pretty much every, is to call us N...I...U... which I actually have to type like that because other fan-bases do it on purpose to get a rise out of us so it's auto-corrected to UNI. Give it a shot.

Also to say we play in Cedar Rapids. You may fly into Cedar Rapids, because they have a larger airport than Cedar Falls/Waterloo. However, it's over an hour south on interstate 380

[mvcfan]

How many basketball scholarships you are allowed matters. How good your basketball program is matters. How much money you commit to your program matters. To a much smaller degree the quality of other(mens and womens) sports programs matter.

How many students your school has doesn't matter.