Loyola to Valley

[valpofan1859]

Alright, blind resume time. Which school would you pick? X or Y? And which one do you think the nine MVC Presidents will pick?

Private Horizon League School X
Private Horizon League School Y

2012 Total Athletic Expenses
X: $12,946,139
Y: $10,386,126

2012 MBB Expenses
X: $1,781,911
Y: $1,867,018

4 Year MBB Avg. RPI
X: 104.75
Y: 234.50

4 Year MBB Avg. Sagarin Rating
X: 115.50
Y: 195.75

MBB Overall Win % in last four years
X: 63.70%
Y: 42.62%

MBB Conf. Win % in last four years
X: 70.00%
Y: 25.71%

MBB NCAA Appearances in last four years
X: 1
Y: 0

MBB NIT Appearances in last four years
X: 1
Y: 0

MBB Conf. Tournament Championships in last four years
X: 1
Y: 0

MBB Conf. Regular Season Championships in last four years
X: 2
Y: 0

MBB Conf. Tournament Victories in last four years
X: 5
Y: 0

MBB Record vs. Butler in last four years
X: 4-3
Y: 0-6

MBB Overall Win % Since 1989-90
X: 57.37%
Y: 41.06%

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 2000
X: 4
Y: 0

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 1990
X: 8
Y: 0

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 1980
X: 8
Y: 1

2012 Avg. MBB Reported Attendance
X: 3,164.25
Y: 2,297.75

MBB Arena Capacity
X: 5,000
Y: 4,486

2012 Percent of Capacity Filled
x: 63.29%
Y: 51.22%

[BirdFan 4Life]

Alright, blind resume time. Which school would you pick? X or Y? And which one do you think the nine MVC Presidents will pick?

Private Horizon League School X
Private Horizon League School Y

2012 Total Athletic Expenses
X: $12,946,139
Y: $10,386,126

2012 MBB Expenses
X: $1,781,911
Y: $1,867,018

4 Year MBB Avg. RPI
X: 104.75
Y: 234.50

4 Year MBB Avg. Sagarin Rating
X: 115.50
Y: 195.75

MBB Overall Win % in last four years
X: 63.70%
Y: 42.62%

MBB Conf. Win % in last four years
X: 70.00%
Y: 25.71%

MBB NCAA Appearances in last four years
X: 1
Y: 0

MBB NIT Appearances in last four years
X: 1
Y: 0

MBB Conf. Tournament Championships in last four years
X: 1
Y: 0

MBB Conf. Regular Season Championships in last four years
X: 2
Y: 0

MBB Conf. Tournament Victories in last four years
X: 5
Y: 0

MBB Record vs. Butler in last four years
X: 4-3
Y: 0-6

MBB Overall Win % Since 1989-90
X: 57.37%
Y: 41.06%

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 2000
X: 4
Y: 0

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 1990
X: 8
Y: 0

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 1980
X: 8
Y: 1

2012 Avg. MBB Reported Attendance
X: 3,164.25
Y: 2,297.75

MBB Arena Capacity
X: 5,000
Y: 4,486

2012 Percent of Capacity Filled
x: 63.29%
Y: 51.22%

Don't care...neither is impressive to say the least.

[TheDrake]

Alright, blind resume time. Which school would you pick? X or Y? And which one do you think the nine MVC Presidents will pick?

Private Horizon League School X
Private Horizon League School Y

2012 Total Athletic Expenses
X: $12,946,139
Y: $10,386,126

2012 MBB Expenses
X: $1,781,911
Y: $1,867,018

4 Year MBB Avg. RPI
X: 104.75
Y: 234.50

4 Year MBB Avg. Sagarin Rating
X: 115.50
Y: 195.75

MBB Overall Win % in last four years
X: 63.70%
Y: 42.62%

MBB Conf. Win % in last four years
X: 70.00%
Y: 25.71%

MBB NCAA Appearances in last four years
X: 1
Y: 0

MBB NIT Appearances in last four years
X: 1
Y: 0

MBB Conf. Tournament Championships in last four years
X: 1
Y: 0

MBB Conf. Regular Season Championships in last four years
X: 2
Y: 0

MBB Conf. Tournament Victories in last four years
X: 5
Y: 0

MBB Record vs. Butler in last four years
X: 4-3
Y: 0-6

MBB Overall Win % Since 1989-90
X: 57.37%
Y: 41.06%

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 2000
X: 4
Y: 0

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 1990
X: 8
Y: 0

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 1980
X: 8
Y: 1

2012 Avg. MBB Reported Attendance
X: 3,164.25
Y: 2,297.75

MBB Arena Capacity
X: 5,000
Y: 4,486

2012 Percent of Capacity Filled
x: 63.29%
Y: 51.22%

Well looking at those two highly impressive resumes, I think i'll take Denver and/or Belmont.

[valpofan1859]

It's nice to assume that you have lots of options, but perhaps that's not the case? Who really knows? So I give you an abbreviated look at School W and School Z (both private schools).

2012 Total Athletic Expenses
W: $26,020,596
Z: $10,578,710

2012 MBB Expenses
W: $2,512,912
Z: $2,213,543

4 Year MBB Avg. RPI
W: 142
Z: 67.5

4 Year MBB Avg. Sagarin Rating
W: 143
Z: 68

MBB Overall Win % in last four years
W: 60.98%
Z: 76.69%

NCAA Appearances in the last four years
W: 0
Z: 3

NCAA Appearances since 2000
W: 0
Z: 6

NCAA Appearances since 1990
W: 0*
Z: 6
*School W has never participated in the NCAA Tournament

2013 MBB Average Attendance
W: 5,460
Z: 2,012

Arena Capacity
W: 7,200
Z: 5,000

2013 MBB Percent of Capacity Filled
W: 75.83%
Z: 40.24%

[rlh04d]

Don't care...neither is impressive to say the least.

I was wondering how that would stack up against Valley teams. So let's compare the numbers to Illinois State:

Valpo X
IlSU Y

2012 Total Athletic Expenses
X: $12,946,139
Y: $16,603,093

2010 MBB Expenses
X: $1,524,249
Y: $1,718,793

4 Year MBB Avg. RPI
X: 104.75
Y: 133.25

4 Year MBB Avg. Sagarin Rating
X: 115.50
Y: 116

MBB Overall Win % in last four years
X: 63.70%
Y: 55.72%

MBB Conf. Win % in last four years
X: 70.00%
Y: 50.00%

MBB NCAA Appearances in last four years
X: 1
Y: 0

MBB NIT Appearances in last four years
X: 1
Y: 2

MBB Conf. Tournament Championships in last four years
X: 1
Y: 0

MBB Conf. Regular Season Championships in last four years
X: 2
Y: 0

MBB Conf. Tournament Victories in last four years
X: 5
Y: 4

MBB Overall Win % Since 1989-90
X: 57.37%
Y: 55.6%

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 2000
X: 4
Y: 0

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 1990
X: 8
Y: 3

MBB NCAA Appearances Since 1980
X: 8
Y: 6

2012 Avg. MBB Reported Attendance
X: 3,164.25
Y: 4,783

2012 Percent of Capacity Filled
x: 63.29%
Y: 46.89%

I'm now convinced we should kick out Illinois State and add Valpo instead

[IllinoisState]

Don't care...neither is impressive to say the least.

I was wondering how that would stack up against Valley teams. So let's compare the numbers to Illinois State:

Valpo X
IlSU Y

2012 Total Athletic Expenses
X: $12,946,139
Y: $11,552,350

2012 MBB Expenses
X: $1,781,911
Y: $1,718,793

Where did you get your budget numbers from? I haven't seen our basketball budget, but the most recent number I saw for out athletic budget was much higher than that.

[rlh04d]

Don't care...neither is impressive to say the least.

I was wondering how that would stack up against Valley teams. So let's compare the numbers to Illinois State:

Valpo X
IlSU Y

2012 Total Athletic Expenses
X: $12,946,139
Y: $16,603,093

2010 MBB Expenses
X: $1,524,249
Y: $1,718,793

Where did you get your budget numbers from? I haven't seen our basketball budget, but the most recent number I saw for out athletic budget was much higher than that.

Whoops ... my fault. I copied Indiana State's athletic expenses from the USAToday database on accident. You're right, IlSU is much higher.

BB expenses are from here: http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news/co ... l_profits/ ... which is actually from 2010. I'll edit in the fixed numbers.

[IllinoisState]

I was wondering how that would stack up against Valley teams. So let's compare the numbers to Illinois State:

Valpo X
IlSU Y

2012 Total Athletic Expenses
X: $12,946,139
Y: $11,552,350

2012 MBB Expenses
X: $1,781,911
Y: $1,718,793

Where did you get your budget numbers from? I haven't seen our basketball budget, but the most recent number I saw for out athletic budget was much higher than that.

Whoops ... my fault. I copied Indiana State's athletic expenses from the USAToday database on accident. Illinois State is actually at $16,603,093.

BB expenses are from here: http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news/co ... l_profits/

Ah, okay, thanks.

[rlh04d]

BB expenses are from here: http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news/co ... l_profits/

This is actually pretty interesting:

2009?:
School ▼ Revenue Expenses Profit Margin
Bradley University 2,994,774 2,970,067 24,707 0.8%
Creighton University 4,825,617 4,036,610* 789,007 16.4%
Drake University 2,044,433 2,126,455 � (82,022) -4.0%
University of Evansville 1,978,179 1,978,179 - 0.0%
Illinois State University 1,525,638 1,718,793 (193,155) -12.7%
Indiana State University 713,678* 1,248,174 (534,496) -74.9%
Missouri State University 3,745,378* 1,837,352 1,908,026 50.9%
Southern Illinois University Carbondale 1,805,378 2,230,041 (424,663) -23.5%
University of Northern Iowa 1,901,814 1,511,228 390,586 20.5%
Wichita State University 4,139,169 3,187,098 952,071 23.0%

*These numbers look weird based on the other years.

2010: (from: http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news ... lines.html)
Team Revenue Expenses Profit
Bradley University $2,759,506 $2,937,206 ($177,700)
Creighton University $4,886,660 $5,032,173 ($145,513)
Drake University $1,950,495 $2,053,256 ($102,761)
Illinois State University $1,887,713 $1,887,713 $0
Indiana State University $1,627,591 $1,340,015 $287,576
Missouri State University $2,152,519 $1,872,907 $279,612
Southern Illinois University Carbondale $1,423,765 $2,168,174 ($744,409)
University of Evansville $1,885,565 $1,885,565 $0
University of Northern Iowa $2,188,149 $1,973,250 $214,899
Wichita State University $4,166,873 $3,220,886 $945,987

2011 (from: http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news ... oesnt.html)
Name of Institution Revenue Expenses Profit
Bradley University $2,316,273 $2,931,281 $615,008)
Creighton University $4,771,088 $4,771,088 $0
Drake University $2,026,579 $2,067,844 $41,265)
Illinois State University $1,991,617 $1,991,617 $0
Indiana State University $1,445,143 $1,445,143 $0
Missouri State University $2,300,602 $1,683,601 $617,001
Southern Illinois University Carbondale $2,047,844 $2,047,843 $1
University of Evansville $2,047,005 $2,047,005 $0
University of Northern Iowa $2,208,478 $2,138,770 $69,708
Wichita State University $5,157,481 $3,798,648 $1,358,833

Best I can find for 2012 is only for NCAA tourney teams' expenses: (http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/morn ... seeds.html)
Creighton University $4,404,350
Wichita State University $4,644,724


Just looking at those numbers for WSU, that's very healthy financial growth, and that's a lot of money that can be spent on HCGM, assistants, and facility upgrades. I'm impressed by MoSt's finances as well (although I can't imagine those 2009 numbers are right).

[IllinoisState]

This is probably the best site considering it is government run:

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetails ... 303120414d