Recruiting Ratings and Conference Success

[Bluejay09Bear06]

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[Bluejay09Bear06]

Did you read my full report?

You call that a "report"? Where is the analysis? Are the numbers supposed to speak for themselves? If so, then by definition, there is no "report", just data. Accordingly, using context clues, I will have to infer what your conclusion is and, with respect to the Big East data, I assume your point is that there is a correlation between this one particular rating service's recruit average and success. Oh shucks, I guess we should have just stayed in the Valley then! I am SHOCKED that the better teams have been getting the better recruits! Maybe it's not too late for our A.D. to withdraw our acceptance of the Big East offer!

The biggest flaw in your "data" is that, unlike mid major conferences, recruits in the power conferences do not get punished by rating services once they have signed. There's a reason there's a correlation between recruit ratings and success in the Big East, while there's not a correlation in the Valley and the Horizon (in case you haven't noticed, INSU and ILSU haven't exactly been ruling the Valley lately).

More to the point, though, I don't think you'll find a single Creighton fan who won't agree that moving to the Big East will require a big step up in recruiting. This would be true for any Valley team moving to a more competitive league. But your "report" (and I use that term liberally) hardly makes this argument.

[2livewu]

Folks in Bugaha seem to be experiencing a high level of buttsting these days. Posters go from 0 to hot chili in about the time it takes them to get eliminated from the post season, ie fast. Must be something in the water.

*ratings after you get past the stone cold lock 5 stars really don't mean much, imho. Identify your needs, seek out a dozen candidates that fit your wants, and hope 1 says yes, then coach the hell out of them.

Gregg Marshall is out-recruiting every Valley program including Creighton. And has been for years. He's out coaching them as well. Some people are going to find out that CU-DePaul-Butler (ESPECIALLY sans Coach Stevens) ain't much of a draw.

[GoRamblers]

Some people are going to find out that CU-DePaul-Butler (ESPECIALLY sans Coach Stevens) ain't much of a draw.

I will agree with you about DePaul. They are a joke. They have an off campus facility that their fans don't go to. I recall games against LU where we had more fans than them. DePaul thinks they are a big deal, but they aren't. They haven't been relevant since the 80's.

As for Butler, we've had an up-close view of them. Their draw has nothing to do with Stevens. As much as it pains me to say, Butler is a "system" program. It didn't matter if they were coached by Collier, Matta, Lickliter or Stevens. Collier built up a program. I expect the same from Miller. They will be a draw and, when playing around the midwest, will travel well. Heck, for some of the big games out east, I'd expect them to show up with good numbers.

Creighton...I don't have the up close experience you all have. Perhaps next year, and years subsequent, will show them for what you believe them to be. But I'd expect them to be a decent draw this year for a couple of reasons: 1. They are the new guy on the block; 2. They've had success in the past bunch of years; 3. They return a big name, national player.

[C0|db|00ded]

BJ will be a HUGE DRAW as far as the players in that conference are concerned. Lil' Wookie alone is going to enable a lot of Big Priest players to have career nights. Lil' Wookie is going to have to work on his duck-n-scoot move so as not to become the posterized child of the Big Priest.


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[jaybydna]

Folks in Bugaha seem to be experiencing a high level of buttsting these days. Posters go from 0 to hot chili in about the time it takes them to get eliminated from the post season, ie fast. Must be something in the water.

*ratings after you get past the stone cold lock 5 stars really don't mean much, imho. Identify your needs, seek out a dozen candidates that fit your wants, and hope 1 says yes, then coach the hell out of them.

Gregg Marshall is out-recruiting every Valley program including Creighton. And has been for years. He's out coaching them as well. Some people are going to find out that CU-DePaul-Butler (ESPECIALLY sans Coach Stevens) ain't much of a draw.

Umm, I posted a response without emotion calling into question the logic of the so-called research and WSU fans went ape-shet. 0-Hot Chili? You really believe his logic sound?

Also, why are you WSU fans bashing the Big East, as if you are not praying every night for an invitation?

Oh, and sorry to disappoint, but I have been a fan of the MVC for longer than most of you have been alive. I have not posted in a while out of respect for your wishes, but if you want me gone, you are going to have to ban me. I like seeing how you all are doing, and wishing for your success. Though, if WSU fans keep acting like they are, I doubt many will continue coming over here.

[glm38]

Recruiting success will never totally equate to won/loss success. There are other things that make a program successful that are equally important. Things like player development, player retention, coaching stability, and in game coaching to name a few. Recruiting well is obviously a factor though.

[Aargh]

So you are taking our recruiting history in the mvc, and using that as an indicator of how we will compete against schools that regularly pull in 4-star recruits thanks to the exposure of the big east, and not accounting for how the money and exposure of the Big East will positively affect recruiting going forward? You don't see anything wrong with that logic?

1. The loss of 5 of the top 7 (and 6 of the top 9) BB teams in the BE will diminish the recruiting ability of the remaining teams.
2. The loss of the "name" schools from the BE will dilute that league's recruiting abilities.
3. The schools still in the BE that "regularly pull in 4-star recruits" seem to be Georgetown and Marquette.
4. The remaining teams in the BE will likely keep pulling in some good talent, because there's a huge player pool on the East Coast. That huge player pool might not find Nebraska as appealing as some of the other BE destinations.

CU should be able to up their recruiting, but a lot of the recruiting angle was the opportunity to play against teams like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Notre Dame, etc. About the only "names" left are G'town, Marquette, and Villanova. Past that, it's "who??"

McDermott has already shown how well he can recruit when he has a top-tier league to recruit to. It didn't take the next coach at Iowa State long to get that program turned around.

[Bluejay09Bear06]

1. The loss of 5 of the top 7 (and 6 of the top 9) BB teams in the BE will diminish the recruiting ability of the remaining teams.
2. The loss of the "name" schools from the BE will dilute that league's recruiting abilities.
3. The schools still in the BE that "regularly pull in 4-star recruits" seem to be Georgetown and Marquette.
4. The remaining teams in the BE will likely keep pulling in some good talent, because there's a huge player pool on the East Coast. That huge player pool might not find Nebraska as appealing as some of the other BE destinations.

CU should be able to up their recruiting, but a lot of the recruiting angle was the opportunity to play against teams like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Notre Dame, etc. About the only "names" left are G'town, Marquette, and Villanova. Past that, it's "who??"

McDermott has already shown how well he can recruit when he has a top-tier league to recruit to. It didn't take the next coach at Iowa State long to get that program turned around.

So let me get this straight. The Big East lost all the good teams so it will suck. But Creighton will sink to the bottom of the league because it won't be able to compete with Midwestern players. Makes sense.

[Aargh]

1. The loss of 5 of the top 7 (and 6 of the top 9) BB teams in the BE will diminish the recruiting ability of the remaining teams.
2. The loss of the "name" schools from the BE will dilute that league's recruiting abilities.
3. The schools still in the BE that "regularly pull in 4-star recruits" seem to be Georgetown and Marquette.
4. The remaining teams in the BE will likely keep pulling in some good talent, because there's a huge player pool on the East Coast. That huge player pool might not find Nebraska as appealing as some of the other BE destinations.

CU should be able to up their recruiting, but a lot of the recruiting angle was the opportunity to play against teams like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Notre Dame, etc. About the only "names" left are G'town, Marquette, and Villanova. Past that, it's "who??"

McDermott has already shown how well he can recruit when he has a top-tier league to recruit to. It didn't take the next coach at Iowa State long to get that program turned around.

So let me get this straight. The Big East lost all the good teams so it will suck. But Creighton will sink to the bottom of the league because it won't be able to compete with Midwestern players. Makes sense.

I believe my post is factual and pretty much presented without any bias, just some realities facing the BE this year. If that's the conclusion you draw from those facts, that's your opinion. "The Big East will suck", "Creighton will sink to the bottom", and "can't compete with Midwestern players" are all your conclusions from the facts presented.