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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby siudawgs » May 20th, 2018, 1:10 pm

underdawg wrote:In the end post season is a must--but adding a inexperienced guy just because he is a beloved alumi probably won't do it either. This is a crucial year

I’ll close on this so as not to get this thread too far off track but to imply that the groundswell of support in favor of hiring Mullins is just because he’s a popular alum is not fair. He has plenty of other pluses in his favor that would make him a very promising hire.
In the meantime, we’ll see how attendance looks in Year 7 of Barryball, even with a senior-laden team coming off a 2nd place finish.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby Fraydog » May 21st, 2018, 1:24 am

tribecalledquest wrote:
Fraydog wrote:
Mikovio wrote:Not shocking. Gentile might become a tough place to play. Certainly won't get taken over by other fan bases so easily.


The days of ISU/SIU/Bradley fans coming in there and getting a large block of tickets are over.


Lets give it a few years before making such bold proclamations. No doubt this year will be different. Let's see where things are in five years.


I think the big thing in Loyola's favor is they are clearly making the investment in coaching and facilities to build a program. If this weren't happening, my response would be more cautious. Loyola doesn't just deserve the benefit of the doubt solely because of the F4 run, but also because they made promises and then went beyond keeping them.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby Fraydog » May 21st, 2018, 1:28 am

underdawg wrote:
siudawgs wrote:Season ticket sales in Carbondale would have seen a similar spike if Mullins had been brought in to replace a certain polarizing media darling.


Might or might not happened--but I just did a Pearson correlation matching number of wins and attendance for the last 28 years of Saluki Basketball;

There is a +.73 correlation between average attendance and number of wins in a season/ I then did one using percentage of capacity and wins (SIU has had a 10,000 seat version and now an 8400 version so using % of capacity might be more representative). That correlation was a bit lower (+.63) but still significant. winning correlates with attendance not (in the long run) coaching hires. You might get a one or two year uptick but that's it--you have to win. Mullins is no exception.


If I were to make a case of an external factor damaging SIU's ticket sales, it would be around the chaos happening in the academic units along with lack of economics to keep Saluki fans in the region. I don't think some of Hinson's interviews helped but it's also worth noting the state cuts, administrative chaos, and economy have hurt.

I made the statement that SIU had bigger issues than Barry Hinson when the debate over whether to keep him or hurt him was raging. I just didn't dream that I'd be proven right like I was. :|

I'm not saying this to nullify other facts people brought up like his barely above .500 record at SIU or the fact that he hasn't made an NCAA Tournament as a head coach. Just saying SIU has much worse problems outside basketball. Indeed, if Hinson had a much better record and had made NCAA's while he was here, this is the kind of chaos that could justify him going somewhere else.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby tribecalledquest » May 21st, 2018, 8:25 am

Fraydog wrote:
underdawg wrote:
siudawgs wrote:Season ticket sales in Carbondale would have seen a similar spike if Mullins had been brought in to replace a certain polarizing media darling.


Might or might not happened--but I just did a Pearson correlation matching number of wins and attendance for the last 28 years of Saluki Basketball;

There is a +.73 correlation between average attendance and number of wins in a season/ I then did one using percentage of capacity and wins (SIU has had a 10,000 seat version and now an 8400 version so using % of capacity might be more representative). That correlation was a bit lower (+.63) but still significant. winning correlates with attendance not (in the long run) coaching hires. You might get a one or two year uptick but that's it--you have to win. Mullins is no exception.


If I were to make a case of an external factor damaging SIU's ticket sales, it would be around the chaos happening in the academic units along with lack of economics to keep Saluki fans in the region. I don't think some of Hinson's interviews helped but it's also worth noting the state cuts, administrative chaos, and economy have hurt.

I made the statement that SIU had bigger issues than Barry Hinson when the debate over whether to keep him or hurt him was raging. I just didn't dream that I'd be proven right like I was. :|

I'm not saying this to nullify other facts people brought up like his barely above .500 record at SIU or the fact that he hasn't made an NCAA Tournament as a head coach. Just saying SIU has much worse problems outside basketball. Indeed, if Hinson had a much better record and had made NCAA's while he was here, this is the kind of chaos that could justify him going somewhere else.


Enrollment going from 21,000 ten years ago to under 14,000 now would be a huge, huge problem. Way more than Barry Hinson. SIUE now has more undergrads than SIUC.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby Fraydog » May 21st, 2018, 6:28 pm

tribecalledquest wrote:
Enrollment going from 21,000 ten years ago to under 14,000 now would be a huge, huge problem. Way more than Barry Hinson. SIUE now has more undergrads than SIUC.


Which is a problem caused by a lot of other problems. College kids, believe it or not, aren’t dumb about what school to go to. Sure, selling is an issue, but so is the academic product.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby tribecalledquest » May 21st, 2018, 8:58 pm

Fraydog wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:
Enrollment going from 21,000 ten years ago to under 14,000 now would be a huge, huge problem. Way more than Barry Hinson. SIUE now has more undergrads than SIUC.


Which is a problem caused by a lot of other problems. College kids, believe it or not, aren’t dumb about what school to go to. Sure, selling is an issue, but so is the academic product.


The academic quality of SIU hasn't gone down that much over time. That's the least of the issues there.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby Dean Wormer » May 23rd, 2018, 11:14 am

tribecalledquest wrote:
Fraydog wrote:
tribecalledquest wrote:
Enrollment going from 21,000 ten years ago to under 14,000 now would be a huge, huge problem. Way more than Barry Hinson. SIUE now has more undergrads than SIUC.


Which is a problem caused by a lot of other problems. College kids, believe it or not, aren’t dumb about what school to go to. Sure, selling is an issue, but so is the academic product.


The academic quality of SIU hasn't gone down that much over time. That's the least of the issues there.


Sorry, I thought I was in a thread regarding Evansville and Loyola ticket sales. My mistake.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby scotte101 » May 24th, 2018, 10:00 am

MissouriValleyUnite wrote:Within a month of Walter McCarty’s hiring, Evansville added 1k new STH’ers
https://twitter.com/ueathletics/status/ ... 44193?s=21

The local news announced this week Loyola has tripled its season ticket base from last year.

Imagine MSU is gradually increasing their counts as its fan base de-Luskifies.



There was an article in the local paper regarding MSU season ticket inquiries for next season. It says something about 200 or so new inquiries. I expect this to be slow and steady but eventually will be back to where it was before Lusk got here.

https://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2018/05/20/missouri-state-university-mens-basketball-selling-more-season-tickets-dana-ford/615748002/
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby BigMacAttack » May 24th, 2018, 10:43 am

Dean Wormer wrote:Sorry, I thought I was in a thread regarding Evansville and Loyola ticket sales. My mistake.

Steering the thread back to the original topic. UE athletic department reported as of May 18, 1,065 new season tickets had been sold. Also, the 10 stop coaches caravan started last night in Evansville, travels southern Indiana all the way to Indianapolis, hits southeastern Illinois, and 2 stops in western Kentucky before ended back in Evansville in September.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby Cowboydawg » May 30th, 2018, 5:54 pm

underdawg wrote:
siudawgs wrote:Season ticket sales in Carbondale would have seen a similar spike if Mullins had been brought in to replace a certain polarizing media darling.


Might or might not happened--but I just did a Pearson correlation matching number of wins and attendance for the last 28 years of Saluki Basketball;

There is a +.73 correlation between average attendance and number of wins in a season/ I then did one using percentage of capacity and wins (SIU has had a 10,000 seat version and now an 8400 version so using % of capacity might be more representative). That correlation was a bit lower (+.63) but still significant. winning correlates with attendance not (in the long run) coaching hires. You might get a one or two year uptick but that's it--you have to win. Mullins is no exception.

Can you boil that down to 1 short informative sentence for this old timer. 8-)
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