LOOKING AHEAD

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Re: LOOKING AHEAD

Postby BEARZ77 » February 27th, 2019, 11:28 am

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137. Chris Payton (SIU)



I was just thinking... is Payton going to make it to SIU? He left or was dismissed from (which ever story you want to believe) his high school team and then Hinson is likely on his way out. Very talented player from Bloomington but seemed like his brother, just couldn't get out of his own way.


You'd think there's the possibility of roster/recruiting fluctuation at SIU and possibly Indiana State because of the coaching situations. Then there's the issue of if indeed Mullins is the choice at SIU, does it affect Loyola where he was the lead recruiter on a number of their last couple classes.
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Re: LOOKING AHEAD

Postby Blers » February 27th, 2019, 11:44 am

I think Loyola is primed for a special year in 2020-2021 for Williamson/Krutwigs senior seasons. So much talent coming in that'll have time to develop. Next year however will be interesting. This year Townes, Custer, and Krutwig really masked the fact (even to myself) that this team had no one who was battle tested with the exception of Williamson who’s been hurt for most of the year. Thus outside those 3 everyone has been playing their first major minutes of their careers, which has hurt us from time to time, but should help in the future. I think next year’s team will hover somewhere in the 3-6 range. If I had to guess 5th seems reasonable. They’ll still be young with only one true senior in Skokna, but Kaifes, Bujdoso, and Agunanne, all have flashed enough to be excited about, Kaifes in particularly looks to be a real player. I’m bullish on Williamsons development, he looked outstanding when healthy this year, and was flashing the ability to score at all 3 levels before injury.

I think what will really help this team next year however is the influx of shooters. With Williamson injured and Custers shot lost in the twilight zone at times, Kaifes has been the only real consistent threat, but he’s still a freshman who is up and down on the defensive end. Next season the team adds transfer Tate Hall and freshman Paxson Wojcik, who are both outstanding shooters. Our other two freshman also both have the ability to step out and hit a 3 point shot; so HOPEFULLY the offense can be run much more effectively. Moser best teams at LU have been the teams with no clear cut go-to guy. The ball just tends to move a bit better. Currently I think the supporting cast defers too much to our seniors throughout games, and they can only do so much. Especially when opponents always know where the balls going. The young guys will just need to learn how to close out close games, which will probably take a year.

All in all though I couldn’t agree more about the conference, so much talent coming and growing. I’m curious to see how Evansville plays with their new additions, and what MSU does offensively. Does Ford go back to his original plan on offense or does he run what’s worked this season? It’ll be interesting! On top of this Valpo’s roster (in theory) could be stacked with seniors as well as two quality young guards in Sackey and Freeman. The ISU’s are a bit of a mystery to me, what do the redbirds look like next year? And how does Barnes go out in his senior year; does he return to form or have teams figured him out? UNI and Bradley should stay mostly consistent consistent, UNI will improve some, and while I could maybe see Bradley being a bit shakier without that glue of DLO and mismatch guy in Van Bree? I really don’t know enough about how that team runs to say for sure though. I love what Drakes doing. SIU is going to be a reclamation project no matter who coaches them with all they lose.
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Re: LOOKING AHEAD

Postby tdawgs87 » February 28th, 2019, 10:42 am

BEARZ77 wrote:
Adunk33 wrote:
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137. Chris Payton (SIU)



I was just thinking... is Payton going to make it to SIU? He left or was dismissed from (which ever story you want to believe) his high school team and then Hinson is likely on his way out. Very talented player from Bloomington but seemed like his brother, just couldn't get out of his own way.


You'd think there's the possibility of roster/recruiting fluctuation at SIU and possibly Indiana State because of the coaching situations. Then there's the issue of if indeed Mullins is the choice at SIU, does it affect Loyola where he was the lead recruiter on a number of their last couple classes.

Not sure what happens with SIU's recruits and especially Payton. We shall see.
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Re: LOOKING AHEAD

Postby Adunk33 » February 28th, 2019, 11:04 am

tdawgs87 wrote:
BEARZ77 wrote:
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137. Chris Payton (SIU)



You'd think there's the possibility of roster/recruiting fluctuation at SIU and possibly Indiana State because of the coaching situations. Then there's the issue of if indeed Mullins is the choice at SIU, does it affect Loyola where he was the lead recruiter on a number of their last couple classes.

Not sure what happens with SIU's recruits and especially Payton. We shall see.


Could get REALLLY interesting. Illinois State was in on Lance Jones and Evan Taylor. Could be even more interesting if Bryan Mullins is the next head coach because Loyola was in on Taylor, too. If Bryan brings his brother, ILST assistant Brendan, Jones could still have a relationship with with Brendan which leads to both players keeping their commitments? Or maybe both, Jones and Taylor end up at ILST?? :lol: Maybe Anthony Beane makes a return to ILST to replace the departed Brendan and brings along Darius, to make up for taking Anthony Jr. with him in 2012? That'll be a fun story to follow from the outside.

I know none of what I said is likely at all, outside of Bryan bringing Brendan with him, but it does show how tight nit the MVC is.
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Re: LOOKING AHEAD

Postby usmcsaluki » February 28th, 2019, 5:59 pm

Adunk33 wrote:
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137. Chris Payton (SIU)



I was just thinking... is Payton going to make it to SIU? He left or was dismissed from (which ever story you want to believe) his high school team and then Hinson is likely on his way out. Very talented player from Bloomington but seemed like his brother, just couldn't get out of his own way.


The team could certainly use a Top 140 kid after a departure of 6 or 7 seniors, but like you said it's a complete crap shoot if he ever wears a Saluki uniform for a number of reasons.
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Re: LOOKING AHEAD

Postby BCPanther » March 1st, 2019, 10:23 am

Painfully Early Prediction for 2019-20

Top Tier-
Loyola--Krutwig and Williamson still formidable
UNI--Fully AJ Green's team, lots of good pieces coming back. Phyfe return huge.

Upper Middle Tier-
Missouri State--Da Silva is a beast, interesting to see what style they'll play
Bradley--Experienced. How is Darrell Brown only a Junior? Been there forever

Lower Middle Tier-
Drake--Year 2 is always harder than year 1. Lots of leadership graduating
Illinois State--They'll be talented. Discipline? Coaching?
Valpo--Jury still out on Lottich. Still maybe a year away.

Bottom Tier-
Indiana State--Lots back but really underachieved. Is Lansing out?
Evansville--We'll see how Transferpalooza works out. Lots of Questions
Southern Illinois--Barry's Gone. Nobody back. Ugly year for Ugly Dawgs.
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Re: LOOKING AHEAD

Postby Kip Dynamite » March 1st, 2019, 10:40 am

Missouri State has one of the top JUCO inside players in the country coming in next year in Gaige Prim (avg. 20.3 pts, 11.4 reb), so that will free up Da Silva to his natural position at forward. That likely means he will no longer be double teamed every game and that will more than likely dictate the style Ford chooses to play.
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Re: LOOKING AHEAD

Postby MSUDuo » March 1st, 2019, 10:47 am

Kip Dynamite wrote:Missouri State has one of the top JUCO inside players in the country coming in next year in Gaige Prim (avg. 20.3 pts, 11.4 reb), so that will free up Da Silva to his natural position at forward. That likely means he will no longer be double teamed every game and that will more than likely dictate the style Ford chooses to play.


Not to mention we get 2 NCAA Tournament experienced players eligible next year too in Dixon and Hall. Bears will be an early favorite next year
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Re: LOOKING AHEAD

Postby goramblers2011 » March 1st, 2019, 11:00 am

Considering Missouri State is in the top tier this year, I don't think it makes sense to not include them in next year's top tier with all they'll have back and added.

So I think it'd be:

Loyola, Missouri State, UNI
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Illinois State, Drake
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Valpo, Evansville,
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SIU, Indiana State
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Re: LOOKING AHEAD

Postby BEARZ77 » March 1st, 2019, 11:43 am

goramblers2011 wrote:Considering Missouri State is in the top tier this year, I don't think it makes sense to not include them in next year's top tier with all they'll have back and added.

So I think it'd be:

Loyola, Missouri State, UNI
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Illinois State, Drake
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Valpo, Evansville,
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SIU, Indiana State


You forgot Bradley. Speaking of which, sort of, UNI next year looks like Bradley did to me this year. That is, a team that was a notch below the top teams, bringing most everything back, but hard to see where they would be a lot better. It's always nice to return a lot, but sometimes veterans are what they are and have been, you don't get a big bump up. I always look at does a team have 3 impact level guys, or a freshman or sophmore ready to be one of those guys. But most years I think you need 3. Sometimes someone comes out of the woodwork to emerge; that's what makes it interesting.
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