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[wildjays]

Would I look pretty homerish if I took Ahelegbe out and put Antoine Young in? I know it is not right to have two players on the first team all-valley when they finished 4th in the conference, but for what they meant to their team and their consistency throughout the season, it is really tough to just decide between McDermott and Young which one deserves to be on the first team.

It is tough to pick a Shocker because they were all so balanced all season and even tough to pick Ahelegbe because he was somewhat inconsistent during the season. Even Weems was a little invisible at times, but you have to have someone from the conference champs in the first team. And for what he did, he probably does deserve Player of the Year honors.

Andrew Warren because he pretty much dominated in scoring because he had to for Bradley and no one could really stop him.

Antoine Young was in the top 15 in six different league categories and the amount of minutes he played speak for themselves and how important he was to the Bluejays. McDermott dominated in a lot of areas throughout the season and as a freshman did a lot of things that have not happened in a long time. Without him, who knows how many games Creighton would have actually won. He was in the top 15 in six different league categories for the season as well.

So I know I am a homer, but Young and McDermott belong on the Valley first team. I am probably wrong, but what constitutes to being All-Valley? Maybe I'm looking at a different set of criteria.

As mentioned AY and DMc did a lot for their teams who know how they would have done without them....both of them where in the top 15 in six different league catagories....Jake Odum was in the top 15 in seven catagories. Go look it up. Where does he belong?

Well and maybe that is also where I am confused. Is the All-Valley team just based on performance within the conference or does it take into account the whole season? Yes, Odum is in the top 15 in seven categories for conference play, but for the overall season only in 4 categories in the top 15. Whereas Young and McDermott were in the top 15 in six categories in both the full season and conference season.

I agree that Odum was a key component to the success of Indiana State this conference season, but it took him until Conference play to make the impact that he did. With Young and McDermott, they showed consistency throughout the full season.

[bleach]

Stats don't tell how valuable someone is. Who do they get them against? Bottom feeders or top tier? Critical times or mop up times?
A player could be so good your whole gameplan is around them and their stats might not look good but the team excells because of it.
Who the other teams think is best determines who is, not the home crowd.

[BirdmanBB]

I would think that you would want to grab someone off of Indiana St's roster for 1st team since they finished 3rd in the conference.

I am hoping that Jon Ekey makes it on the all freshman team considering he set the record for freshman at ISU in blocks and 3rd best all time in a single season with 51. (second all time in a single season is 62 and 1st all time was set by Jeff Wilkins with an insane 103 in a single season)

[Aces0976]

I would have to agree with all except for COY, I would have to give the nod to Lansing over Martin in a close call. I think you're right that Martin will win, I would choose Lansing, just because of how much ISU improved from the beginning of the season. After some of those early nonconference losses, a lot of us (myself included), were writing off ISU. Their in-season turnaround has been very impressive and warrants some serious consideration for Lansing.

[valleychamp]

Would I look pretty homerish if I took Ahelegbe out and put Antoine Young in? I know it is not right to have two players on the first team all-valley when they finished 4th in the conference, but for what they meant to their team and their consistency throughout the season, it is really tough to just decide between McDermott and Young which one deserves to be on the first team.

It is tough to pick a Shocker because they were all so balanced all season and even tough to pick Ahelegbe because he was somewhat inconsistent during the season. Even Weems was a little invisible at times, but you have to have someone from the conference champs in the first team. And for what he did, he probably does deserve Player of the Year honors.

Andrew Warren because he pretty much dominated in scoring because he had to for Bradley and no one could really stop him.

Antoine Young was in the top 15 in six different league categories and the amount of minutes he played speak for themselves and how important he was to the Bluejays. McDermott dominated in a lot of areas throughout the season and as a freshman did a lot of things that have not happened in a long time. Without him, who knows how many games Creighton would have actually won. He was in the top 15 in six different league categories for the season as well.

So I know I am a homer, but Young and McDermott belong on the Valley first team. I am probably wrong, but what constitutes to being All-Valley? Maybe I'm looking at a different set of criteria.

Ahelegbe > Young.

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[Snaggletooth]

I don't like the coach of the year. We have a first year coach in Greg Lansing with a team that wasn't supposed to be anything this year and we have proved that wrong in a big way.

ISU-B wasn't anything but a middle of the pack in a mediocre MVC.

Here are the facts:

ISU-B went from

16-15 team overall, 5th place MVC team, 9-9 conference record in 2010 to
16-13 team overall, 3rd place MVC team, 12-6 conference record in 2010 (RPI 106)

MSU went from
24-12, 7th place MVC team, 8-10 conference record and 77th RPI to
23-7, 1st Place MVC team, 15-3 conference record, 42 RPI

How cares whether ISU-B didn't finish in the bottom half of the MVC, the bottomline is you don't award Coach of Year Award to a coach that kept his team in the middle of Mediocrity. You award it to coach who elevated his team to at least some level of Success.

No doubt - hands down Martin is the MVC Coach of the Year. 2nd Place would have to be Marshall has taken 9th place team and has improved them each year to 5th, 2nd and 2nd.

[MSUDuo]

No doubt - hands down Martin is the MVC Coach of the Year. 2nd Place would have to be Marshall has taken 9th place team and has improved them each year to 5th, 2nd and 2nd.

Mixed feelings on this one for me. I agree with your stats comparing last year and this year. Which obviously favors Martin. But at the same time, we were picked to finish 2nd and were one game away from doing so. ISUb was picked 7th and finished 3rd.

I also think Simmons at UE is going to take votes away from someone as they were picked to finish last by a wide margin and they finished 6th.

[Snaggletooth]

No doubt - hands down Martin is the MVC Coach of the Year. 2nd Place would have to be Marshall has taken 9th place team and has improved them each year to 5th, 2nd and 2nd.

Mixed feelings on this one for me. I agree with your stats comparing last year and this year. Which obviously favors Martin. But at the same time, we were picked to finish 2nd and were one game away from doing so. ISUb was picked 7th and finished 3rd.

I think letting pre-season expectations mean anything more than something to talk about before the season start is not very good logic. The reality is it shows who were making pre-season predictions are probably not doing very well in their day trading. It is also saying that the coaches ability to build a team of talent and putting the puzzle pieces together to have these high expectations is not worthy of any merit. Martin has taken a lower division team and made them into a champion, and if you want - exceeded preseason expectations.

Now there is no doubt that MVC is a bunch of liberal wonks who love to spread the love of mediocrity around and they will somehow think that Martin has already gotten his accolades by winning the MVC and they will want to reward a coach who has achieved a 0.500 record and is on the bubble for the CBI.

[cubsfan62395]

I'm trying to think bast to past years, but it isn't coming to me. When are the awards announced?

[OkoboJay]

Tomorrow around 2:00 pm the All-Conference teams are announced.
Wednesday will be academic all-conf and defensive team and maybe some others if I recall correctly.
COY is announced on Thursday.