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Re: Arch Madness All Tourney Team

Postby MSUBear42 » March 7th, 2011, 8:54 am

give me heart wrote:
MSUBear42 wrote:
valleychamp wrote:so Mallett, the guy who played on the losing team AND who fumbled the ball out of bounds at the end of the game, is the MOP?

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Ballots were collected with 2 minutes left, at that time pretty much everyone on press row felt like MSU was still going to pull it off.


Seriously Lets vote on a feeling...you are privy to that info so you must have voted. Care to publically change your vote.



I did have Odum on my list, and yeah, had they done it right when the game ended, Odum would have gotten it from me. But without Mallett, ISU would have ran away with the game. It's a tough call.

I had Mallett, Weems, Odum, Lathan, and Durley on my All-Tourney team, FWIW.
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Re: Arch Madness All Tourney Team

Postby Brian » March 7th, 2011, 10:21 am

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PeKaph wrote:Can't argue with that analysis. Mallett should not have been MOP. His TO ended the game. Odom was the best player on the court.


This is the TOURNAMENT MVP, not the FINALS MVP, and not the PLAY AT THE END OF THE GAME MVP. Mallett averaged 14.3 pts, 9.3 reb, 2.3 assists and 1.6 TOs in 35 minutes per game. Odom averaged 12.3 pts, 4 reb, 3.3 assists and 2.6 TOs in 30 minutes. Odom had a great tournament and was a big reason for their finals win, but Mallet was better thoughout the tourney. If you are going to kick Mallett because of a TO, then you must kick Odom as he averaged more TOs per game than Mallett, which is a bad argument. And if you are going to look at the end of the game....isn't it Odom that choked on a FT to keep MSU in the game with 20 seconds to go? Kelly was the clutch player that knocked both of his down to get the lead to 4.

I thought Mallett fumbled the ball out of bounds as well, but a friend watching on TV told me an ISU player knocked the ball out of his hands out of bounds. Don't blame Mallett, credit good D. Still, that one play does not define a tourney.

I told the group I was with that I was with right after the game that the shame of MSU losing is that they would not give Mallett the MVP since they lost, as he was clearly deserving. Credit the voters for getting this right regardless of who won the game.


Odum also has the ball in his hands 99% of the time, made a game winning shot at basically the buzzer, and completely took over the Wichita State game on defense(ask any WSU fan). His team also won and he played the 6, 2, and 1 seed. MSU played what the 8, 5, and 3? Also, Mallett said he lost it out of bounds and NO ISU player touched the ball! Your friend was drunk.

Mallett was great but they got it wrong IMO. Oh well, time goes on.
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Re: Arch Madness All Tourney Team

Postby sycamorestateofmind » March 7th, 2011, 10:55 am

I should point out that the gentleman above who listed a statistical comparison of Odum and Mallett failed to realize and point out that Jake Odum averaged 3 steals per in the tourney. I am going to very matter-a-fact with this post and leave nothing more open for discussion.

Jake Odum showed the MVC why he should have been FOY this weekend, however I am over the fact that he wasn't voted as such and I understand why he didn't get it. Jake Odum also should have been voted defensive player of the year, as he led the Valley in steals and during conference play he was in the top 10 in the nation in steals. He again showed that this weekend - in 3 games he took 4 or 5 charges (those might as well be considered steals) and he really just manned up on some of the best guards in the MVC.

If you are going to vote for these awards please look at the total picture and don't leave out key statistics like steals. Let me also say that Indiana State doesn't get the 3 seed without Jake Odum, we would have been playing on Thursday. Indiana State doesn't make it to the Championship without Odum, it's that simple.
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Re: Arch Madness All Tourney Team

Postby dgreenwell3 » March 7th, 2011, 10:56 am

I am just happy we are heading to the dance with our not so great "Honorable Mentions"...I will take the hardware we got, as always with the MVC if you dont get the respect from them u expect, TAKE IT
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Re: Arch Madness All Tourney Team

Postby dgreenwell3 » March 7th, 2011, 11:06 am

When I spoke to a coaching friend of mine he said, "You guys have a couple decent post guys and a point guard that makes every player on the court better, I wouldnt want to be playing you guys in the first round if I EVEN HAD PURDUE'S TEAM, seems like these things aren't judged over ur full season regularly but by how hot you are going into it. You guys are blazing"
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Re: Arch Madness All Tourney Team

Postby DieHardMSUFan » March 7th, 2011, 12:32 pm

Brian wrote:
DieHardMSUFan wrote:
PeKaph wrote:Can't argue with that analysis. Mallett should not have been MOP. His TO ended the game. Odom was the best player on the court.


This is the TOURNAMENT MVP, not the FINALS MVP, and not the PLAY AT THE END OF THE GAME MVP. Mallett averaged 14.3 pts, 9.3 reb, 2.3 assists and 1.6 TOs in 35 minutes per game. Odom averaged 12.3 pts, 4 reb, 3.3 assists and 2.6 TOs in 30 minutes. Odom had a great tournament and was a big reason for their finals win, but Mallet was better thoughout the tourney. If you are going to kick Mallett because of a TO, then you must kick Odom as he averaged more TOs per game than Mallett, which is a bad argument. And if you are going to look at the end of the game....isn't it Odom that choked on a FT to keep MSU in the game with 20 seconds to go? Kelly was the clutch player that knocked both of his down to get the lead to 4.

I thought Mallett fumbled the ball out of bounds as well, but a friend watching on TV told me an ISU player knocked the ball out of his hands out of bounds. Don't blame Mallett, credit good D. Still, that one play does not define a tourney.

I told the group I was with that I was with right after the game that the shame of MSU losing is that they would not give Mallett the MVP since they lost, as he was clearly deserving. Credit the voters for getting this right regardless of who won the game.


Odum also has the ball in his hands 99% of the time, made a game winning shot at basically the buzzer, and completely took over the Wichita State game on defense(ask any WSU fan). His team also won and he played the 6, 2, and 1 seed. MSU played what the 8, 5, and 3? Also, Mallett said he lost it out of bounds and NO ISU player touched the ball! Your friend was drunk.

Mallett was great but they got it wrong IMO. Oh well, time goes on.


No problem, Odom averaged 2.6 steals per game, Mallett averaged 1.3 steals per game. Mallett made to HUGE 3s in the final game to give MSU a prayer of winning that game. Yadda yadda yadda. Both played greats in the tourney, and it is no farce that Mallett won it. Statistically, he was the better player, and there is no requirement of winning the tournament to the tournament to get the MVP. Would you be arguing for Odom if ISU lost? I don't think so.

As I said in my post, I though Mallett just lost it out of bounds, but that does not define his tournament. He clearly deserved the MVP. The voters did not know the outcome of the game when they cast ballots, which is fine as it is not a factor. If Odom was better, they would have voted for him regardless of the outcome.
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Re: Arch Madness All Tourney Team

Postby bleach » March 7th, 2011, 2:37 pm

If voting was completed before the end of the game the results are justified. It also makes the award more acurately awarded since the outcome of the game shouldn't have bearing on who wins the award. However I was surprised that Odum didn't win even though I thought he didn't play as well Sunday as the rest of the tourney. Looking at the stats explains why Mallet won. I suspect there were several voters against the idea of giving it to a Frosh though.
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Re: Arch Madness All Tourney Team

Postby SycamoreFanatic » March 7th, 2011, 3:53 pm

I really hate to admit this but we sound like the Wichita fans in baseball; win it all but no coach or player gets any hardware. He doesn't really need any more fire in his belly but Jake Odum was slighted in regular season awards and in the tourney awards and you all are going to get to see him again for the next three years. Maybe by then some of the voters will change their mind?

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Re: Arch Madness All Tourney Team

Postby DieHardMSUFan » March 7th, 2011, 5:53 pm

SycamoreFanatic wrote:I really hate to admit this but we sound like the Wichita fans in baseball; win it all but no coach or player gets any hardware. He doesn't really need any more fire in his belly but Jake Odum was slighted in regular season awards and in the tourney awards and you all are going to get to see him again for the next three years. Maybe by then some of the voters will change their mind?

:Cheers:


Here is what I don't get...do you really think Odum is unhappy being the second best Frosh in the league, and having the second best MVC tourney performance? I would suspect if you ask him, he is very proud of his accomplishments, and I seriously doubt if he feels slighted.

I bet he is happy to not get the hardware and have the NCAA birth, just like Mallett would give it up for the win.
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Re: Arch Madness All Tourney Team

Postby dgreenwell3 » March 7th, 2011, 6:10 pm

Diehard MSU fan,
Check his twitter he felt pretty slighted by the season awards...And he has a right to be lol
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