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Re: Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

Postby valleychamp » March 28th, 2011, 8:06 pm

Haha wrote:I would argue Martin was a hot commodity because of Purdue coaching tree bloodlines combined with his on the court results. Not court results alone. Considering BH's connections I would think you really can't compare the two as it is obvious it did at least factor into Martins status.

I think sitting around arguing who was better or not is stupid. Really can't come to concrete determination. I think BH got a raw deal not for being let go after 8 seasons or whatever it was but how he was treated financially while there. Of course I guess if he didn't like it he could have left so thats on him as well. One's market value is only as high as one is being paid.

I have heard that Martin refused a salary increase back around March 7th before Tenn job even opened. I also heard no locker rooms at the arena and he never received a simple trainers table he had requested. I don't know if any of this is true or not. If it is however all I can say is what kind of mickey mouse operation is the AD running over there?


I'm not an MSU fan, but I'm callin BS on this one. MSU has the nicest arena in the Valley, and you claim he couldn't get a training table? lol
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Re: Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

Postby AndShock » March 28th, 2011, 8:28 pm

bleach wrote:
valleychamp wrote:
bleach wrote:All true. Doesn't mean Barry was a good coach and certainly doesn't mean he was better than Zo. Will you please tell me why the wonderful coach B is not able to get a job!!!!!!


Is he looking for a head job?


Are you serious????


It's probably a legitimate question. What's the pay difference between DOBO at KU and head coach at SWOMO (when he was there, at least), what's the stress level difference between the two jobs? I'd guess DOBO at KU is a very comfortable career.
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Re: Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

Postby valleychamp » March 28th, 2011, 8:44 pm

It is a legitimate question. He's got a good job right now.

I'm sure he could go and be the head coach at a lot of places right now if he wanted.
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Re: Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

Postby MVCfans » March 28th, 2011, 9:12 pm

Martin not afraid of possible NCAA sanctions at Tennessee.

Story with video (strange to see him in a bright orange tie):
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6267405
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Re: Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

Postby MSUDuo » March 28th, 2011, 9:16 pm

valleychamp wrote:
Haha wrote:I would argue Martin was a hot commodity because of Purdue coaching tree bloodlines combined with his on the court results. Not court results alone. Considering BH's connections I would think you really can't compare the two as it is obvious it did at least factor into Martins status.

I think sitting around arguing who was better or not is stupid. Really can't come to concrete determination. I think BH got a raw deal not for being let go after 8 seasons or whatever it was but how he was treated financially while there. Of course I guess if he didn't like it he could have left so thats on him as well. One's market value is only as high as one is being paid.

I have heard that Martin refused a salary increase back around March 7th before Tenn job even opened. I also heard no locker rooms at the arena and he never received a simple trainers table he had requested. I don't know if any of this is true or not. If it is however all I can say is what kind of mickey mouse operation is the AD running over there?


I'm not an MSU fan, but I'm callin BS on this one. MSU has the nicest arena in the Valley, and you claim he couldn't get a training table? lol



Yeah, it has been thrown around a little while now. No clue if there is any truth to it or not...
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Re: Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

Postby MoValley John » March 28th, 2011, 9:23 pm

I think Cuonzo is a better coach than Hinson. I also think Hinson was a good coach that was treated horribly by the fans. In fact, Bears fans should be embarrassed the way they treated him and continue to treat him. As for all of these comparisons, Barry won more games in his last three years at Missouri State than Cuonzo did in his three. That is a meaningless stat. So is most everything else brought up, but Barry was a good coach and deserves more credit than Bears fans give him. As for the other stuff, I don't know if Barry Hinson is looking for a job. The last time I heard, he had said that he wanted to coach again, but wasn't ready and didn't know at what level he would want to coach. He said he is very happy at Kansas. My guess is that he is very, very comfortable in his position and he does in fact make more as the Director of Basketball Operations than he did as head coach at Missouri State. My guess is that any school that would hire him would pay far less than he is currently making, job security combined with having to sacrifice pay would keep a lot of guys from jumping back into the fray.

Onto other rants being brought up in this thread. It is a fact that Missouri State does not have locker rooms in the arena. Players dress at HSC which is connected by a tunnel or something to the arena. There is currently a fundraiser to rectify the situation and build lockers. Why there weren't lockers in the first place blows my mind, but if I were to throw barbs, I would blast this as just another area where Missouri State went on the cheap. Build a nice arena and try to save a few measly hundred grrr by omitting needed lockers. Also, Cuonzo Martin did in fact ask for a training table in which he never received. As for the contract being rejected on March 7th, I have seen that rumor on several forums, but I don't know it to be a fact. I speculate that there was a contract negotiation but I don't know how it went or the status before taking the Tennessee job. That said, if what I have seen rumored is even remotely true, Cuonzo was fed up with the nickel and diming, not only the lockkers and the training table, but he was being squeezed with his recruiting budget.

I don't know what was going on in Springfield and I wouldn't have mentioned any of this stuff, but it has now surfaced here and on other boards.
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Re: Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

Postby MVCfans » March 28th, 2011, 9:48 pm

Lyndal Scranton's list of possible replacements - current assistants, Capel, Lusk, Kennedy, Knight, et al.

http://blogs.news-leader.com/msu/2011/0 ... r-msu-job/
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Re: Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

Postby getreal4 » March 28th, 2011, 10:15 pm

Pay package combined with nickel & diming will eliminate several candidates on that list.
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Re: Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

Postby DoubleJayAlum » March 28th, 2011, 10:43 pm

valleychamp wrote:MSU has the nicest arena in the Valley, and you claim he couldn't get a training table?

The nicest arena? Hardly.

The nicest arena without locker rooms? Probably.
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Re: Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

Postby valleychamp » March 28th, 2011, 10:48 pm

DoubleJayAlum wrote:
valleychamp wrote:MSU has the nicest arena in the Valley, and you claim he couldn't get a training table?

The nicest arena?


Yes, it is.
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