Valley leaving St Louis????

[DoubleJayAlum]

No insult here from me. I was serious. I implied the same as Aaaargh mentioned, if WSU is on a run going into Arch Madness it will draw fans that follow basketball in the St. Louis area. Plus Valley fans will probably participate more when there is a more " a heightened media" covered, nationally ranked team involved. They hope their team will knock them off and want to be there to see it, plus just want to see a nationally ranked team play. No doubt in shear numbers the omission of Creighton will be evident but I doubt the excitement level changes.

I believe the Shockers can be as good as last year, so if they pull off another final four.....or even better....I think people could be under estimating what that will do for the Valley and excitement among Valley fans during coming seasons.

You make some fair points, but for each of the last two years, the MVC has had two teams ranked in the top 25 (along with a first team all american) and, outside of the fanbases of those two schools, it really didn't do anything to heighten attendance at the tourney by the other fanbases or the locals in STL.

Unipanther also makes a good point. I don't think the MVC can get into a battle with the SEC over sponsors. The MVC already lost its main sponsor in State Farm before any of this was even announced.

If a local team Mizzou, along with schools like Kentucky, Tenn, etc are also going to be playing in STL on an infrequent basis, I think the MVC tourney will certainly seem like second fiddle in those years and have a hard time generating local interest. I've been pretty vocal over the years about the conference spending so much time and money trying to align itself so closely with STL, instead of alternating the conference tourney between KC and STL to increase exposure. Maybe this new news will cause the MVC to look more seriously at other locales than they have in the past? Hopefully, it is still as appealing to other locations.

[DoubleJayAlum]

The entire world revolves around Creighton. So much so, that the even the SEC bases all of their major conference decisions on the actions of the mighty BJ's.

You've got it backwards. It isn't the SEC here, it is the Scottrade Arena and St Louis that are looking to replace money they are going to lose.

Yeah the Scottrade Center, in some crazy scheme to turn a profit, were soliciting future business. Those crafty bastards!

Good point. I mean, after all, they have been openly soliciting other conference tourneys for years now, right? Oh wait, they haven't been...

On a related note, one has to wonder how the St Louis Blues would feel about having to be away from home for two full consecutive weeks if this were to be a semi-regular thing.

But hey, valleychamp seems to think the arena has been up to soliciting other conference tourneys forever, so I'm sure the Blues are a-okay with it!

[valleychamp]

Do you honestly beleive that STL has not solicited other conference tournaments, NCAA events, etc. since the Valley has been there? LOLOLOL

[DoubleJayAlum]

Do you honestly beleive that STL has not solicited other conference tournaments, NCAA events, etc. since the Valley has been there? LOLOLOL

Can you show any evidence whatsoever of them soliciting other basketball conference tourneys during that period?

[Aargh]

ScottTrade was never going to get the B12 tourney.

Now that Mizzou is in the SEC, ScottTrade is in play for that tourney.

ScottTrade could have solicited or not solicited tourneys. They weren't going to get any other than the MVC until Mizzou switched conferences.

The point about fans in St. Louis skipping the MVC tourney to watch the SEC tourney is valid.

[valleychamp]

Do you honestly beleive that STL has not solicited other conference tournaments, NCAA events, etc. since the Valley has been there? LOLOLOL

Can you show any evidence whatsoever of them soliciting other basketball conference tourneys during that period?

Can you show any evidence that they weren't???

Fact is, they are running a business. If ANY conf tournament is/was in play they are going to make a run at it. With Mizzou now in the SEC, this was actually a viable option now. If you don't think STL and Scottrade make bids to host other events then you are a fool. Especially being in the unique position where Arch Madness is a week earlier than other tournaments.

Go ahead though, and keep living in the fantasy land where STL and the SEC are making decisions based on the ripple effects of the powerful BJ AD.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Can you show any evidence that they weren't???

It is a basic tenet of logic that one cannot prove such a negative. If they didn't do it, there WOULDN'T BE ANY EVIDENCE!!!! It is self evident! If they were really soliciting other tourneys, we would have heard about it somewhere because the pursuer would have let it leak in the hopes of getting a better deal from other cities, just like the MVC announced a few years ago that they were going to explore other having their tourney in other cities to attempt to get a more competitive bid from STL.

Go ahead though, and keep living in the fantasy land where STL and the SEC are making decisions based on the ripple effects of the powerful BJ AD.

I never said they were making decisions because of Creighton's athletic department; they are worried about not making as much money (it is a business, like you said) because they are losing Creighton's FANBASE and the money that the fanbase spends. Cities and arenas host conference tourneys to make money!

If Northern Iowa brought 6000+ fans to STL regularly, but suddenly was no longer going to be a participant, that would cause concern too for the host, who put in a bid based upon the assumption that you would still be participating. Unfortunately, UNI struggles to sell 4,000 seats at its own home games, so whatever UNI brings or doesn't bring to STL is not going to create much of a ripple effect.

Champ, I'll give you this --- you have been remarkably consistent with your whole "finances don't matter" bit, despite everything in the entire sports world pointing otherwise. Either you are stubborn beyond belief or live in a perpetual state of unreality, but you are certainly consistent! Keep living in your fantasy land where economics are nothing more than little pesky gnats that can be ignored at your leisure and I'm sure you will progress far. Do you have some sort of governmental or union job?

[valleychamp]

A stunning lack of comprehension, a complete misrepresentation of my post, and an unrelated and out of context shot at UNI to go along with the ever present sense of superiority and arrogance. Pretty much par for the course for DJA.

"It wasnt in the Omaheehaw World Herald so it obviously didn't happen!!!1"...

[DoubleJayAlum]

A stunning lack of comprehension, a complete misrepresentation of my post, and an unrelated and out of context shot at UNI to go along with the ever present sense of superiority and arrogance. Pretty much par for the course for DJA.

"It wasnt in the Omaheehaw World Herald so it obviously didn't happen!!!1"...

Yeah, because that's what I said.

Look, you'd be hard pressed to find a bigger critic of the OWH than me. Cite me any story from any paper you please. The Chicago Trib, NY Times, Wall Street Journal, Des Moines Register, Cedar Valley Hog's Life, I don't care. Gimme a story since you are so certain it happened.

Denial - it isn't just a river in Egypt, its valleychamp's mantra for life. I'd still like an answer to that "do you have a government or union job" question.

[Redbird Recon]

I'd still like an answer to that "do you have a government or union job" question.

What if he/she does?