Catholic Basketball League

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I don't think CU cuts the mustard of a 10 team Big East. If it goes to 12 they will be right there. Larger than 12 you gotta think they are in for sure.

What if they only go 10 and CU doesn't make the cut but the leftover A-10 is still more attractive and invites CU?

Say for example X, SLU, and one of the east coast schools get in. The A-10 would still haves some combo of Dayton, Butler, VCU, St. Joes, Richmond. Also their is a large amount of east coast non football schools the A-10 could pull from to add with CU. George Mason, Davidson, Drexel, etc.

So to me the biggest danger isn't the Big East itself but a raided A-10 that still has a decent core. I just think that the Big East coming from that giant cluster will want a league that offers true home/away schedule, you never know though.

To me if they leave the Valley needs to be VERY careful on a replacement. Maybe just go with 9 schools instead of 10.

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just do whatever it takes to stay in the same conference as WCC. that is the mentality any cu fan should have.

This will be funny shat if they form that kid toucher league and you get left out.

[jaybydna]

I don't think CU cuts the mustard of a 10 team Big East. If it goes to 12 they will be right there. Larger than 12 you gotta think they are in for sure.

What if they only go 10 and CU doesn't make the cut but the leftover A-10 is still more attractive and invites CU?

Say for example X, SLU, and one of the east coast schools get in. The A-10 would still haves some combo of Dayton, Butler, VCU, St. Joes, Richmond. Also their is a large amount of east coast non football schools the A-10 could pull from to add with CU. George Mason, Davidson, Drexel, etc.

So to me the biggest danger isn't the Big East itself but a raided A-10 that still has a decent core. I just think that the Big East coming from that giant cluster will want a league that offers true home/away schedule, you never know though.

To me if they leave the Valley needs to be VERY careful on a replacement. Maybe just go with 9 schools instead of 10.

One thing that gives me hope is that Fr. Lannon (CU Pres) is a power player back east. He is the former president of St. Joseph. He and the current St. Joseph president sat next to each other at the CU-St. Joes game (wonder what they talked about). Hard to imagine Lannon did not have all his ducks in a row more than a year ago. If the C7 form a new league, and Creighton is not invited I would be very surprised. If however they merge with the A10, it becomes a little more fuzzy.

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One thing that gives me hope is that Fr. Lannon (CU Pres) is a power player back east. He is the former president of St. Joseph. He and the current St. Joseph president sat next to each other at the CU-St. Joes game (wonder what they talked about). Hard to imagine Lannon did not have all his ducks in a row more than a year ago. If the C7 form a new league, and Creighton is not invited I would be very surprised. If however they merge with the A10, it becomes a little more fuzzy.

So if the C7 goes to 10 teams you will be very surprised if CU isn't one of the 3 schools taken?

I would think SLU, X are ahead of CU for sure. I guess if they stick with only catholic schools then ok I see where CU would be right there for that 10th spot. I would imagine if there is 10 teams only that there will be a holy war of great magnitude between the schools scratching for those few spots. I'm sure all the fathers are well connected, etc.

To me it all depends on what they decide to go for, 10 teams or bigger and divisions. Bigger and divisions I don't see how you couldn't get in.

[MVCfans]

One thing that gives me hope is that Fr. Lannon (CU Pres) is a power player back east. He is the former president of St. Joseph. He and the current St. Joseph president sat next to each other at the CU-St. Joes game (wonder what they talked about). Hard to imagine Lannon did not have all his ducks in a row more than a year ago. If the C7 form a new league, and Creighton is not invited I would be very surprised. If however they merge with the A10, it becomes a little more fuzzy.

So if the C7 goes to 10 teams you will be very surprised if CU isn't one of the 3 schools taken?

I would think SLU, X are ahead of CU for sure. I guess if they stick with only catholic schools then ok I see where CU would be right there for that 10th spot. I would imagine if there is 10 teams only that there will be a holy war of great magnitude between the schools scratching for those few spots. I'm sure all the fathers are well connected, etc.

To me it all depends on what they decide to go for, 10 teams or bigger and divisions. Bigger and divisions I don't see how you couldn't get in.

This is very accurate. If they go to 12 or more, CU would likely get an invite and accept. If they only go to 10, there's very little chance CU would get an invite.

[jaybydna]

One thing that gives me hope is that Fr. Lannon (CU Pres) is a power player back east. He is the former president of St. Joseph. He and the current St. Joseph president sat next to each other at the CU-St. Joes game (wonder what they talked about). Hard to imagine Lannon did not have all his ducks in a row more than a year ago. If the C7 form a new league, and Creighton is not invited I would be very surprised. If however they merge with the A10, it becomes a little more fuzzy.

So if the C7 goes to 10 teams you will be very surprised if CU isn't one of the 3 schools taken?

I would think SLU, X are ahead of CU for sure. I guess if they stick with only catholic schools then ok I see where CU would be right there for that 10th spot. I would imagine if there is 10 teams only that there will be a holy war of great magnitude between the schools scratching for those few spots. I'm sure all the fathers are well connected, etc.

To me it all depends on what they decide to go for, 10 teams or bigger and divisions. Bigger and divisions I don't see how you couldn't get in.

If they open it up beyond just Catholic schools, then all bets are off. I may be myopic too, but I think Creighton, Xavier, and St. Josephs are the first three called in that scenario to take it to 10. Xavier wants Dayton to get to 11, and SLU joins for 12.

The Idea of the Jesuits/Catholics getting together for a league has been around for more than 10 years. Most conference talk is in relation to athletics, but there is also a large academic piece that lends credence to keeping it Catholic only. Its just a bonus that all of them are good at athletics.

I would not be surprised if the scenario that happens is not one that has been proposed yet.

[unipanther99]

Some Creighton fans have been very vocal about wanting to move the MVC tournament out of St. Louis and closer to Omaha, and I'm guessing some of those same fans would jump at the chance to join a league where St. Louis was the closest team.

Not saying I wouldn't feel the same way, just interesting.

[jaybydna]

Some Creighton fans have been very vocal about wanting to move the MVC tournament out of St. Louis and closer to Omaha, and I'm guessing some of those same fans would jump at the chance to join a league where St. Louis was the closest team.

Not saying I wouldn't feel the same way, just interesting.

Maybe if you move it to Kansas City we will stick around.

[DoubleJayAlum]

I don't think CU cuts the mustard of a 10 team Big East. If it goes to 12 they will be right there. Larger than 12 you gotta think they are in for sure.

I agree that if the magic number is ten Creighton has zero chance. After that, who knows?

What if they only go 10 and CU doesn't make the cut but the leftover A-10 is still more attractive and invites CU?

Say for example X, SLU, and one of the east coast schools get in. The A-10 would still haves some combo of Dayton, Butler, VCU, St. Joes, Richmond. Also their is a large amount of east coast non football schools the A-10 could pull from to add with CU. George Mason, Davidson, Drexel, etc.

Who would they poach from the east? Villanova will block St Joe's. Nobody else has any appeal. If they are taking 3 teams, it will be X and two of Butler, Dayton or SLU.

If CU doesn't get a bid, but the A10 gets raided, the A10 would have very little appeal to CU.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Some Creighton fans have been very vocal about wanting to move the MVC tournament out of St. Louis and closer to Omaha, and I'm guessing some of those same fans would jump at the chance to join a league where St. Louis was the closest team.

Not saying I wouldn't feel the same way, just interesting.

Apples and oranges.

The value of the new league would be that you have some nationally recognized programs, more than likely a significantly better TV contract and the potential for a much greater number of NCAA tourney bids. There is also significantly better exposure nationally, which will help both athletic recruiting and undergraduate recruiting.

Your comment shows that either you fail to grasp all that is at stake or you chose to deliberately ignore it just to take a swipe at CU.

(I'd also add that there may be a segment of the fanbase and school that feels taken for granted by the MVC. We'll make you travel the farthest despite bringing the most fans to the tourney year in and year out for over a decade. We'll award non bball conference tourneys to schools that don't show the same level of investment in their programs and/or facilities. We'll award the soccer tourney to schools that don't have anywhere near the same level of success nationally. And when you lodge your concerns, we'll ignore them completely, despite the fact that you've been one of the most successful programs in the conference for over a decade. That might make one feel a touch under appreciated, dontcha think?)