Wichita State classless coach and players

[CaliRdBrd]

Who cares. See you in St. Louis...hopefully.

[cpacmel]

The long and short of it:

2. ISU coaches chase and confront WSU coaches at WSUs locker room and threaten to assault them. Causing security to have to restrain an ISU assistant. But this is justified because someone "disrespected" Ford!

3. ISU fans threw things at the WSU players including coins. otherwise known as assualt. This could not have happened because Cpacmel has interogated the staff at the arena and he assures us that it did not.

4. Jackie 'Chan" Carmichael kicks Tekel Cotton in the chest. This is OK because A. He always rebounds using the scissor kick method and B. it was just the chest not the head!!

Conclussion WSU is clasless!!

Hard to argue with that logic!

Why would you start a list at #2? What happened to #1?

I'll address each one for ya:

2. So as a coash or even just a person is someone "disrespects" you, that person should just walk away? They don't have a right to defend or argue back? Man, if that happened here, every thread would be one reply in each topic. I don't know what was said to Ford, but whatever it was, it set him and others off. I can live with that.

3. I am reporting what I was told by friends and people I know at ISU. If you don't want to believe what me or them, that's fine. Other things were thrown by the student section. I was reporting the whole thing about coins was not true.

4. You can paint Carmichael into any kind of picture you want. He's nevered shown any thug side to him. His play has always been hard and respectful.

[horacepinker]

The long and short of it:

2. ISU coaches chase and confront WSU coaches at WSUs locker room and threaten to assault them. Causing security to have to restrain an ISU assistant. But this is justified because someone "disrespected" Ford!

3. ISU fans threw things at the WSU players including coins. otherwise known as assualt. This could not have happened because Cpacmel has interogated the staff at the arena and he assures us that it did not.

4. Jackie 'Chan" Carmichael kicks Tekel Cotton in the chest. This is OK because A. He always rebounds using the scissor kick method and B. it was just the chest not the head!!

Conclussion WSU is clasless!!

Hard to argue with that logic!

Why would you start a list at #2? What happened to #1?

I'll address each one for ya:

2. So as a coash or even just a person is someone "disrespects" you, that person should just walk away? They don't have a right to defend or argue back? Man, if that happened here, every thread would be one reply in each topic. I don't know what was said to Ford, but whatever it was, it set him and others off. I can live with that.

3. I am reporting what I was told by friends and people I know at ISU. If you don't want to believe what me or them, that's fine. Other things were thrown by the student section. I was reporting the whole thing about coins was not true.

4. You can paint Carmichael into any kind of picture you want. He's nevered shown any thug side to him. His play has always been hard and respectful.

I deemed #1 to be to disrepectful of ISU so I removed it. I didn't want to be assaulted by any ISU coaches, players, or fans, which is of course the justifiable response to any percieved disrespect!

In fact I will now start every thread directed at ISU with 'with all due respect"! for safety sake!

[Aargh]

After 8 pages of unwarranted Shocker bashing, I'm not quite done yet.

Check out the duties of an athletic director in the MVC before and after games. Among the things the athletic director is responsible for is to provide a safe and secure environment for the visiting team. Security is to be especially aware of volatile situations and act proactively to avoid confrontations and ensure that the visiting team has safe and secure egress from the court, in their locker room, and from the facility.

This did not happen. Security only showed up after the safety and security of the WSU team and staff was compromised, and a confrontation had occurred. The sanctions for failure to provide a safe environment for the visiting team are pretty severe.

We do know that Friedman and Marshall met and talked after the game. I doubt they were discussing the weather or comparing notes on cheerleaders. We also know that WSU had security from the locker room to their bus when they left the arena.

I'm going to make a wild guess that Friedman was falling over backwards to apologize and assuring Marshall nothing like that would ever happen again, and making sure that everyone with WSU was OK, and checking if there was anything he could do, or anything Marshll wanted him to do.

If Marshall were really the classless hothead that WSU's Valley opponents would like to believe he is, all he had to do was blow off the apology, report the confrontation to the league office, and leave Friedman stwisting slowly in the wind while the league office ripped a pound of flesh from his back side.

Oh, BTW, I don't think Carmichael is a dirty player. The fact that he was staring Cotton down before, during, and after the foot landed made it appear intentional. That's the way the referees saw it. That's the way the league office saw it. That's the way every sports media outlet has seen it. That doesn't make it intentional. Appearances can be deceiving, but that's the way things get judged in this imperfect world.

[shocktheheart]

The long and short of it:

2. ISU coaches chase and confront WSU coaches at WSUs locker room and threaten to assault them. Causing security to have to restrain an ISU assistant. But this is justified because someone "disrespected" Ford!

3. ISU fans threw things at the WSU players including coins. otherwise known as assualt. This could not have happened because Cpacmel has interogated the staff at the arena and he assures us that it did not.

4. Jackie 'Chan" Carmichael kicks Tekel Cotton in the chest. This is OK because A. He always rebounds using the scissor kick method and B. it was just the chest not the head!!

Conclussion WSU is clasless!!

Hard to argue with that logic!

Why would you start a list at #2? What happened to #1?

I'll address each one for ya:

2. So as a coash or even just a person is someone "disrespects" you, that person should just walk away? They don't have a right to defend or argue back? Man, if that happened here, every thread would be one reply in each topic. I don't know what was said to Ford, but whatever it was, it set him and others off. I can live with that.

3. I am reporting what I was told by friends and people I know at ISU. If you don't want to believe what me or them, that's fine. Other things were thrown by the student section. I was reporting the whole thing about coins was not true.

4. You can paint Carmichael into any kind of picture you want. He's nevered shown any thug side to him. His play has always been hard and respectful.

So your student section throwing objects at players is fine? Seems like you just want to argue over petty details. I don't believe Carmichael's "kick" was intentional, but I do believe it should have been a flagrant foul.

[cpacmel]

Are you actually defending someone who followed another team to their locker room, started yelling obscenities, had to be physically restrained by his own school's security - because that's OK if your buddy got disrespected?

Yeap. Because I don't know what was said and either do you. What if he was yelled things, does he not have a right to yell them back? Without knowing what was said, how can you blame a guy for at least yelling back?

Have you ever been disrespected? Did you just walk away?

Why did you omit the part in your post above about how this whole thing started by Ford being disrespected in the handshake line?

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Next time it might be a full water bottle.

Funny that a wichita state fan would bring up a full water bottle being thrown......Oh say can you see...she was a good anthem singer. Not sure what she did to end up with a water bottle being thrown at her.

[shocktheheart]

Are you actually defending someone who followed another team to their locker room, started yelling obscenities, had to be physically restrained by his own school's security - because that's OK if your buddy got disrespected?

Yeap. Because I don't know what was said and either do you. What if he was yelled things, does he not have a right to yell them back? Without knowing what was said, how can you blame a guy for at least yelling back?

Have you ever been disrespected? Did you just walk away?

Why did you omit the part in your post above about how this whole thing started by Ford being disrespected in the handshake line?

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Next time it might be a full water bottle.

Funny that a wichita state fan would bring up a full water bottle being thrown......Oh say can you see...she was a good anthem singer. Not sure what she did to end up with a water bottle being thrown at her.

And that person was ejected from the game and if I remember correctly banned from the arena. That person was also pointed out by other fans to security. Has the same thing happened at Normal?

[Redbirdfan21]

Are you actually defending someone who followed another team to their locker room, started yelling obscenities, had to be physically restrained by his own school's security - because that's OK if your buddy got disrespected?

Baker didn't get hit with a coin. He got hit with a mini basketball. That's not really dangerous, but when you're sitting at the bottom of the stands, and things start coming down from above, and you have no control over it - it creates a problem. Next time it might be a full water bottle.

But, that's OK because no "coins" were thrown. Honest, Officer, I did not shoot that man with my revolver.

Where, other than all WSU posters, did it ever say that ISU coaches "followed another team to the locker room"? Others posted that it happened right outside the WSU locker room... where is this state anywhere?

[saluki762]

You guys are all f'n babies.

[cpacmel]

I read in the paper this AM that the game officials were disciplined for allowing a wrong player for WSU to shoot free-throws. If the WSU staff were aware of the error, that shows a lack of integrity and respect for the game.

This is a new rule. Marshall thought it was treated like a T. The referees obviously thought it was treated like a T. This has been discussed on a message board where officials compare notes on games. Officials there thought it was supposed to be treated like a T.

I don't have a problem with Marshall sending Early to the line instead of Cotton. Heck, if the refs aren't going to stop it.

It's really not a new rule though. It has been around almost 2 years now. And before that the rule was in placed, but just used different nomenclature. It's now flagrant 1 and flagrant 2, which replaced intentional and flagrant

Had it been called flagrant 2, anyone on the court would have been allowed to shoot the free throws, and Carmichael would have been ejected.

In flagrant 1, the person fouled has to shoot the free throw. And as Aargh said, if that player is injured, he can be subbed out for. The opposing coach would then have the option to pick out of the other 4 players who were on the court at the time of the foul to shoot the free throws.

It should also be noted that the refs told Muller that Carmichael's foul was called because they felt it was intentional. But then on Monday, the MVC said the reason the foul was called because it was excessive.