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Re: Welcome Murray State to the MVC!

Postby VUGrad1314 » January 6th, 2022, 2:42 pm

letsgoAces wrote:The MVC will challenge the Atlantic 10 for best non power conference. My hope is that the league will be able to upgrade it's TV money. This is part of the reason that the Chicago market is so important to the league, and why I believe UIC will be chosen as the next team. I absolutely think in time they could make a big turnaround.


I want to believe this so badly on the MVC as a whole and UIC. I don't see them leapfrogging the A10 or the MWC (especially if the MWC eventually pulls in Gonzaga and possibly others. I do think the MVC will eventually surpass the AAC and the WCC once the next wave of realignment happens though which should keep us on the right side of the at large cutline for being a multibid league. RE UIC though: Why haven't they been able to step up their performance in the Horizon League? To be fair Yaklich does have them making slow improvements. I just don't know how much they will be able to commit. I don't know how much of UIC's finances are under their own control vs under the control of U of I and how much they would be able to spend. Maybe Chuck_A or another Flames fan can fill us in?
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Re: Welcome Murray State to the MVC!

Postby keane1 » January 6th, 2022, 2:43 pm

IllinoisState wrote:
Hooper wrote:TIL: LUC has a one billion dollar endowment. Billion with a "B." Wow.


Then they've done really well for themselves over the past year or two because I last noticed their endowment being in the $700 millions.

VUGrad1314 wrote:The existing MVC institutions just need to continue to raise their play to support the new additions who should be good. If we can do that this league is going to be more than fine.


That's easier said than done.

letsgoAces wrote:The MVC will challenge the Atlantic 10 for best non power conference. My hope is that the league will be able to upgrade it's TV money. This is part of the reason that the Chicago market is so important to the league, and why I believe UIC will be chosen as the next team. I absolutely think in time they could make a big turnaround.


We are still behind the AAC, A-10, WCC, and MWC. That's a lot of ground to gain.


I think with the 6 teams that are coming to the AAC, (4 of those teams being 200+ Kenpom) their conference rank will drop. Losing 3 top 100 teams and replacing them with that mix....the MVC will be a top 10 conference consistently. We have only been a top 10 conference 4 times in the last 10 years. 5 or 6 teams in the top 100 will do that for you. And then you are in the mix 7-10.
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Re: Welcome Murray State to the MVC!

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » January 6th, 2022, 2:46 pm

It was nice to pinch myself waking up this morning and confirm this isn’t a dream - this is real life.
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Re: Welcome Murray State to the MVC!

Postby letsgoAces » January 6th, 2022, 3:42 pm

VUGrad1314 wrote:
letsgoAces wrote:The MVC will challenge the Atlantic 10 for best non power conference. My hope is that the league will be able to upgrade it's TV money. This is part of the reason that the Chicago market is so important to the league, and why I believe UIC will be chosen as the next team. I absolutely think in time they could make a big turnaround.


I want to believe this so badly on the MVC as a whole and UIC. I don't see them leapfrogging the A10 or the MWC (especially if the MWC eventually pulls in Gonzaga and possibly others. I do think the MVC will eventually surpass the AAC and the WCC once the next wave of realignment happens though which should keep us on the right side of the at large cutline for being a multibid league. RE UIC though: Why haven't they been able to step up their performance in the Horizon League? To be fair Yaklich does have them making slow improvements. I just don't know how much they will be able to commit. I don't know how much of UIC's finances are under their own control vs under the control of U of I and how much they would be able to spend. Maybe Chuck_A or another Flames fan can fill us in?


Time will tell VU, But I really like their coach and he has had some very good commitments. No slam intended toward the Horizon League, but I think the MVC would be an easier sell. It's not like the Flames have never in their history have had no success. They have great facilities and an awesome amount of alumni in Chicago. Perhaps a fresh start in a great new league could energize some interest, No one is saying they have to average 10,0000 fans and recruit 5 star players. But if UIC can just tap in somewhere in that world class market of Chicago I can't help but see good things happening.
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Re: Welcome Murray State to the MVC!

Postby VUGrad1314 » January 6th, 2022, 3:55 pm

letsgoAces wrote:
VUGrad1314 wrote:
letsgoAces wrote:The MVC will challenge the Atlantic 10 for best non power conference. My hope is that the league will be able to upgrade it's TV money. This is part of the reason that the Chicago market is so important to the league, and why I believe UIC will be chosen as the next team. I absolutely think in time they could make a big turnaround.


I want to believe this so badly on the MVC as a whole and UIC. I don't see them leapfrogging the A10 or the MWC (especially if the MWC eventually pulls in Gonzaga and possibly others. I do think the MVC will eventually surpass the AAC and the WCC once the next wave of realignment happens though which should keep us on the right side of the at large cutline for being a multibid league. RE UIC though: Why haven't they been able to step up their performance in the Horizon League? To be fair Yaklich does have them making slow improvements. I just don't know how much they will be able to commit. I don't know how much of UIC's finances are under their own control vs under the control of U of I and how much they would be able to spend. Maybe Chuck_A or another Flames fan can fill us in?


Time will tell VU, But I really like their coach and he has had some very good commitments. No slam intended toward the Horizon League, but I think the MVC would be an easier sell. It's not like the Flames have never in their history have had no success. They have great facilities and an awesome amount of alumni in Chicago. Perhaps a fresh start in a great new league could energize some interest, No one is saying they have to average 10,0000 fans and recruit 5 star players. But if UIC can just tap in somewhere in that world class market of Chicago I can't help but see good things happening.


Their previous coach McClain had no problem recruiting 3 stars and I think even getting some 4 star transfers to UIC either. That didn't work. That said I do believe that Yaklich is a far better coach than McClain so maybe (hopefully) he will get them rolling. If they can get rolling they could very well be an amazing add. There is definitely a lot of potential there and a lot to like about UIC outside of basketball. Their academic record is sterling and they make baseball better which matters to the MVC.
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Re: Welcome Murray State to the MVC!

Postby Mikovio » January 6th, 2022, 4:34 pm

UIC was paying Steve McClain a good salary (475K) and he was an Indiana assistant and former Wyo coach who had some success there. He just couldn't climb higher than 3rd. Yaklich is making a little less (350K) but was credited some at Michigan and ISU for their runs. I'd rate UIC a buy in spite of their recent on court struggles. Whether the UI board would increase support if they started really winning is a question but that's a good problem to have.
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Re: Welcome Murray State to the MVC!

Postby VUGrad1314 » January 6th, 2022, 5:07 pm

That's true. And if I remember correctly from the D1360 video their enrollment has really bucked the trend over the past ten years and is booming just like Belmont's. That probably says a lot about their financial health meaning they should have some money to invest if gaining MVC membership gives them an impetus to do so. I don't think it's reasonable to expect Loyola level results from them but if they could even turn into a Missouri State level program that hangs around the top 100 that would be good enough to give everyone a Q2 road game which would help a lot if Murray State and Belmont are as good as advertised. I think that could be a reasonable objective for them to reach and that would make us all very happy. The more I think about it the more I'm slowly coming around on them. I was just freaked out we were going to pass on Murray State to take a risk on a bunch of market schools which would have been a horrible decision. With Murray State now on board I'm much more inclined than I was to roll the dice on a market school especially one that checks as many boxes as UIC does. If they can get their act together in basketball they will be a homerun add for the MVC.
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Re: Welcome Murray State to the MVC!

Postby Chuck A » January 6th, 2022, 6:10 pm

VUGrad1314 wrote:That's true. And if I remember correctly from the D1360 video their enrollment has really bucked the trend over the past ten years and is booming just like Belmont's. That probably says a lot about their financial health meaning they should have some money to invest if gaining MVC membership gives them an impetus to do so. I don't think it's reasonable to expect Loyola level results from them but if they could even turn into a Missouri State level program that hangs around the top 100 that would be good enough to give everyone a Q2 road game which would help a lot if Murray State and Belmont are as good as advertised. I think that could be a reasonable objective for them to reach and that would make us all very happy. The more I think about it the more I'm slowly coming around on them. I was just freaked out we were going to pass on Murray State to take a risk on a bunch of market schools which would have been a horrible decision. With Murray State now on board I'm much more inclined than I was to roll the dice on a market school especially one that checks as many boxes as UIC does. If they can get their act together in basketball they will be a homerun add for the MVC.

I've already mentioned in another post that just because you commit to finances doesn't automatically translate into wins. Sure it gives you the opportunity to hire a "higher class" of coach. The key there is an AD that can do that. This may be a bit long, but here goes.

2004 was the last time we went to the Dance. After this the program began to slowly devolve and the culture began to change for the worst. Jimmy Collins had lost the team, but the former AD's (Jim Schmidt) hands were tied and he "couldn't" fire Collins. There were "connections" within the University that prevented that. So Collins was allowed to retire on his own. When he did retire, he did it too late that it hamstrung the incoming Coach...Howard Moore. He was a good man hired by Schmidt, but spent most of his tenure trying to get the program back to the "ground floor" from the deep basement Collins left it. Enter a new AD (Garret Klassy) who let Moore go and then hired Steve McClain. Optimism was high as McClain came in from Wyoming with a winning record, excited and recruiting like crazy! He had a number of 3-star players! His problem, as we later found, was that time had passed him by and he could no longer coach...especially today's players. During this period (Moore/McClain), the MVC came a calling. We committed to the requests asked of us, and while individuals make fun of the department's "leaking" that "UIC was a done deal", that was the case. Since President Smart and the committee were in town, They decided to go to the Northside and visit Loyola. After a last minute commitment by Loyola, which was a private, the rest was history. We now have a new AD, Mike Lipitz, who has made good hires, including our men's basketball coach, Luke Yaklich. Being an evaluator of talent is an important quality in an AD. Even with an influx of financial commitment, you still have to make the right hire. We appear to have that in Mike Lipitz that we didn't have in Jim Schmidt nor Garrett Klassy.

Yaklich' first year was marred by a mismatch of players that were never recruited live, intertwined with Covid and injuries. Although he signed a bunch of 3-stars and a 4-star, after starting 5-2, the aforementioned conditions came into play. Coach Yak seems to be the right coach and I will give him his contract to see the progress or lack thereof.

I realize men's hoops drive this conference, but our overall athleic department is second to none. Our Volleyball team just won the HL Championship. Our Men's soccer team has won the HL Tourney 3 of the last 5 years including 3 in a row. Baseball finishes 1 or 2 with a rare 3rd place finish every year. Softball and Women's Tennis are perennial top finishers. The Flames will be ready, if we are offered an invite, on day one to compete for respect, if not championships.

All we ask for is a chance. The Valley gave Loyola a chance, it worked out. The Valley gave Valpo a chance, that one didn't! That last one was obviously a dig at VUGrad1314 who seemingly doesn't pass up a chance to rip, dismiss or disrespect UIC. I've read the majority of his posts, but practiced what my mother taught me..., "If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything". This time I couldn't help it. Could've said more about that situation, but not necessary.
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Re: Welcome Murray State to the MVC!

Postby Bigdfromuic » January 6th, 2022, 6:12 pm

Mikovio, Yak actually makes 410k base.

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Re: Welcome Murray State to the MVC!

Postby Redhawk » January 6th, 2022, 6:51 pm

Thanks Chuck A for the insight into UIC. I think the additions of Belmont, Murray St and UIC would be a win/win/win for the Valley.

If ISUr and Bradley (two of the all time winningest programs in the MVC) get back to playing quality basketball
and Valpo gets it's legs in the Valley this league will be really deep and exciting like it used to be!
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