The Case for Indiana St

[GoShockers89]

A tried and true strategy:

When someone has a good point that you can't refute, create a straw man and attack the fanbase as a group.

[saluki762]

I dislike Creighton and ISUb, but if each of them reach the tournament and win a game that is an extra $300k/yr for multiple years for WSU. That buys a lot of goodwill come postseason. And my school isn't broke, unlike yours.

What you just posted is not true. In 2011 NCAA units were worth approximately $250,000. According to MVC bylaws, the participating institution gets 50% of this money and the remainder is divided amongst the other institutions. For each game played by another institution, your school will receive approximately $14,000. So assuming that they both win a game, SIU and WSU will get around $56,000/yr

The only way to really get any money from NCAA participation is making it yourself. SIU's athletic budget was 23 million in 2011. This small amount of money does nothing in the grand scheme of things and therefore does not warrant my rooting for other Valley teams.

[GoShockers89]

I dislike Creighton and ISUb, but if each of them reach the tournament and win a game that is an extra $300k/yr for multiple years for WSU. That buys a lot of goodwill come postseason. And my school isn't broke, unlike yours.

What you just posted is not true. In 2011 NCAA units were worth approximately $250,000. According to MVC bylaws, the participating institution gets 50% of this money and the remainder is divided amongst the other institutions. For each game played by another institution, your school will receive approximately $14,000. So assuming that they both win a game, SIU and WSU will get around $56,000/yr

The only way to really get any money from NCAA participation is making it yourself. SIU's athletic budget was 23 million in 2011. This small amount of money does nothing in the grand scheme of things and therefore does not warrant my rooting for other Valley teams.

That is a good catch, I fudged up by typing it out as per year. Still, $300k over a five year period is nothing to scoff at.

And I would imagine Barry and every other MVC coach shares my approach on this. A better league means better recruiting, better attendance, etc. Nobody wants everyone else in the league to play at a SWAC or Great West Conference level- that does nothing but hurt your own institution.

[saluki762]

I dislike Creighton and ISUb, but if each of them reach the tournament and win a game that is an extra $300k/yr for multiple years for WSU. That buys a lot of goodwill come postseason. And my school isn't broke, unlike yours.

What you just posted is not true. In 2011 NCAA units were worth approximately $250,000. According to MVC bylaws, the participating institution gets 50% of this money and the remainder is divided amongst the other institutions. For each game played by another institution, your school will receive approximately $14,000. So assuming that they both win a game, SIU and WSU will get around $56,000/yr

The only way to really get any money from NCAA participation is making it yourself. SIU's athletic budget was 23 million in 2011. This small amount of money does nothing in the grand scheme of things and therefore does not warrant my rooting for other Valley teams.

That is a good catch, I fudged up by typing it out as per year. Still, $300k over a five year period is nothing to scoff at.

And I would imagine Barry and every other MVC coach shares my approach on this. A better league means better recruiting, better attendance, etc. Nobody wants everyone else in the league to play at a SWAC or Great West Conference level- that does nothing but hurt your own institution.

I imagine Barry does, as does Moccia, our athletic director. Since the money is their job/concern, I hope they are.

I feel the same way in other sports that I do here. I am a STL Cardinal fan, I could therefore never root for The Pirates, The Red, The Cubs, the Brewers or the Astro's in that Playoffs. I have difficulty flipping the switch from dislike all year long to getting all kumbaya come NCAA tourney time.

I will certainly acknowledge that this is probably a minority opinion but it is simply that an opinion.

[saluki762]

I dislike Creighton and ISUb, but if each of them reach the tournament and win a game that is an extra $300k/yr for multiple years for WSU. That buys a lot of goodwill come postseason. And my school isn't broke, unlike yours.

What you just posted is not true. In 2011 NCAA units were worth approximately $250,000. According to MVC bylaws, the participating institution gets 50% of this money and the remainder is divided amongst the other institutions. For each game played by another institution, your school will receive approximately $14,000. So assuming that they both win a game, SIU and WSU will get around $56,000/yr

The only way to really get any money from NCAA participation is making it yourself. SIU's athletic budget was 23 million in 2011. This small amount of money does nothing in the grand scheme of things and therefore does not warrant my rooting for other Valley teams.

That is a good catch, I fudged up by typing it out as per year. Still, $300k over a five year period is nothing to scoff at.

And I would imagine Barry and every other MVC coach shares my approach on this. A better league means better recruiting, better attendance, etc. Nobody wants everyone else in the league to play at a SWAC or Great West Conference level- that does nothing but hurt your own institution.

I would also make a small argument that 300k over 5 years can be scoffed at. In the 5 year period from 07-11, WSU's total athletic budget was around 90 million, SIU's was around 101 million. 300k is less than 1/2 of 1%, SIU missing the tourney for the last 5 years hasn't hurt WSU's bottom line incredibly. Likewise, ISUb or WSU missing this year isn't going to terrible damage SIU's bottom line.

[shoxrox]

Now I remember why I hated SIU fans and were hoping for them to fall from grace.

[saluki762]

Now I remember why I hated SIU fans and were hoping for them to fall from grace.

You should remember from Valleytalk that I have been almost unwavering in this viewpoint. I am interested the other Valley teams, not enough to root for them though. And at least I am honest enough to really pull for them though. Also don't act like our fanbase is different from any other.

[shoxrox]

Are you saying that most Shocker fans were for ISU last night cause that is what is good for the conference? Might want to rethink that. Go check out your forum, most if not all were hoping ISU lost for their own good. Knowing it would cripple an at large bid for ISU. Therefore, I would like to never hear a word from Shocker fans about money and the NCAA. Most of you were not singing that tune last night.

You sure like reading Shockernet a lot. You a fan?

And because one fan thinks differently, he can't think differently from his fanbase? It's not even the same point. There's a difference when you're in a conference title race and you're in line for first. Obviously, you put your team first. When you're an SIU or EU fan and don't have a dog in that fight, you'd think you would be more inclined for a better MVC. I mean outside of wanting WSU to finish in the best possible placement, I'd want as many NCAA teams from the league as possible. Makes WSU's wins look better. Makes the conference look stronger. More money. Etc.

When you aren't in that position in decades, it might be harder to see "big picture".

[CaseyGarrisonforPrez]

I will definitely be rooting against any Valley teams that aren't MSU in the Tournament. Unless they are playing Notre Dame, Missouri, Miami, or Duke. Just how I roll.

I do typically root for Valley teams in the NIT or CIT.

I don't care about the money.

[GoShockers89]

I will definitely be rooting against any Valley teams that aren't MSU in the Tournament. Unless they are playing Notre Dame, Missouri, Miami, or Duke. Just how I roll.

I do typically root for Valley teams in the NIT or CIT.

I don't care about the money.

This might make the least sense of any approach.

Root for them in the NIT and against them in the NCAA?