Early Valley Predictions

[mvcfan]

Here they go again, trying to lump their own programs along side WSU's.

You're right, there is NO comparison between a Sweet16 and a Final 4. None.

Second, the quality depth of the Valley was MUCH better when SIU was in the midst of their spectacular multiple season run. That simply isn't the case next year.

Keep trying UNI. You just might convince yourself UNI can compete long term nationally, even though everyone else knows they can't. I don't know why it bothers you so much though. It's not a bad thing. UNI performs above it's ability more often than not. That's a good thing. But it doesn't make you a national player. Sorry. You can keep saying it does, but that doesn't make it so.

We don't need to convince anyone anything. UNI has been competing very successfully for 10 years.

I may add that while they are competitive in the Valley, I wouldn't call them a national player although they are still solid. Probably, usually a Top 75 program from year to year.

[2livewu]

We don't need to convince anyone anything. UNI has been competing very successfully for 10 years.

No, you haven't. You've competed well within the conference. So has UTA in their conference. Utah State has has had far more success within their conference, but that still doesn't make any of them competitive, nationally. You don't have the money and you don't recruit widely enough to build a program to do that. Like I said, I don't know why it bothers you so much. You should embrace what you are. A program that's been a model of consistency in the conference and had 1 outstanding season.

Repeat after me, you don't have the money or support to compete in the long term nationally.

[ilstu2013]

We don't need to convince anyone anything. UNI has been competing very successfully for 10 years.

No, you haven't. You've competed well within the conference.

Which Wichita State has not been able to do. When was the last time WSU won the conference tournament? The obvious rebuttal is then how many years has it been since ISU made an NCAA tournament, which is 15, and then my follow up rebuttal is that WSU didn't make the tournament for 18 years from 1988-2006.

[shoxrox]

Ah, it's been a while, but this winner is back.

I absolutely love the Valley Tournament lines.

Let's see. Who on a national scale is going to remember more, Creighton winning the Valley Tournament or WSU going to the Final Four?

Having an ISU fan entering this discussion is absolutely laughable, considering they have the conference's longest NCAA drought. Hell, even Evansville has scoreboard over you. How do you like them apples?

[ilstu2013]

Ah, it's been a while, but this winner is back.

I absolutely love the Valley Tournament lines.

Let's see. Who on a national scale is going to remember more, Creighton winning the Valley Tournament or WSU going to the Final Four?

Having an ISU fan entering this discussion is absolutely laughable, considering they have the conference's longest NCAA drought. Hell, even Evansville has scoreboard over you. How do you like them apples?

The Shox' 18 year drought is more laughable. Active or not, that one is longer. And no it is not. Loyola holds the distinction of the conference's longest NCAA drought.

[2livewu]

We don't need to convince anyone anything. UNI has been competing very successfully for 10 years.

No, you haven't. You've competed well within the conference.

Which Wichita State has not been able to do. When was the last time WSU won the conference tournament? The obvious rebuttal is then how many years has it been since ISU made an NCAA tournament, which is 15, and then my follow up rebuttal is that WSU didn't make the tournament for 18 years from 1988-2006.

I remind everyone this all started when UNI fan got their collective panties bunched in a wad.

And the point being WSU has greater aspirations than the Valley (which they do).

But still people want to fire back with Valley talk. So be it. You state "Which Wichita State has not been able to do"? Says whom? And compared with whom? Please bring up the 3 day crapshoot as the defining moment in being successful because that just cements my point.

[rbus]

I would be careful pointing out that the Shox 18 year drought is 3 WHOLE YEARS longer than your current one. You getting in within the next 3 years is far from a guarantee.

Nothing like IlSt. fans. Only then can see a roster that loses one of the most dominant big men in the conference and is absolutely packed with unknowns and think they can contend.

[ilstu2013]

I would be careful pointing out that the Shox 18 year drought is 3 WHOLE YEARS longer than your current one. You getting in within the next 3 years is far from a guarantee.

Nothing like IlSt. fans. Only then can see a roster that loses one of the most dominant big men in the conference and is absolutely packed with unknowns and think they can contend.

It doesn't really matter though when you only have two players on your entire team. Brown and Carmichael. So yeah they were good, but what did anyone else do? Nothing, so it doesn't really matter. I would rather have it where all five people on the court and people on the bench are capable of doing something than just have only two people doing things. So hopefully that is what all of these new people do. Just because they are unknown to you guys doesn't mean anything.

We know them more because they are our recruits whereas you guys know your recruits more than we know your recruits because we are all fans of our own teams so basically we know our own recruits the best. That is why our recruits are unknown to everyone else except for us, so just because this is the case does not mean that we can not contend. We will be picked low based on returners, but picks don't mean anything. In 2011-12 we were picked eighth and finished in a logjam tie for 3rd, advanced to the final of the conference tourney, made the NIT and won a game there. So this year we can be picked as low and do just as well or better. Also our inexperience is similar to that year where we will have only one senior and that year we had 0.

[Ricardo del Rio]

I'm really tired of this. Wichita State had the easiest run for any Valley team the Final 4. They played Pitt who they caught on a bad day, Gonzaga who was at best a 4 seed in my opinion, LaSalle who was a cinderella, Ohio State who they caught on a horrible shooting day, and got beat by Louisville. SIU in their 2007 Sweet Sixteen run had to go against Holy Cross who was considered the top 13 seed in the tourney, Virginia Tech who sweep Duke and Carolina that year, and would have beaten a Kansas team with 7 future lottery picks if it weren't for a few bad calls.

You should teach spin lessons at the University of Nobama.

[Snaggletooth]

\The Shox' 18 year drought is more laughable. Active or not, that one is longer. And no it is not. Loyola holds the distinction of the conference's longest NCAA drought.

Like it or not - WSU is the FLAGSHIP of the Valley!