Odds the MVC is a one bid league?

[Wufan]

So in this specific instance, how do they differ substantially from the one I used.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Wichita%20St..html

Do they show that the examples given by shocktheheart of Alabama, Tennessee and Davidson are proof that Wichita State is playing competition in December that is stronger than Drake, Missouri State and Northern Iowa?

No. It shows Alabama, Tennessee, BYU, and St Louis as stronger than EVERY MVC school not named WSU. It also shows NCC as stronger than UNI. Oral Roberts as stronger than 7 MVC teams, Tulsa and Depaul as stronger than 4 other MVC teams, and EVERYBODY we've played as stronger than Loyola.

I know the answer to that but I'd like to see how honest you will be about it. What point is there to criticizing my source when your source of choice doesn't differ?

Of course you do answer man. It says you are wrong. Your source is significantly different.

Just like to argue

I can see that.

Believing that only Wichita State could get an at-large bid based upon wins against teams ranked lower than 3 Valley teams in an RPI source of your choosing is a hard case to make.

You are the only one saying this…Note how I answered everything you said…When two sides do that it's called a debate. When one side does it and the other doesn't…well my 5 year old does this too, so it's kinda cute.

[TheAnswerMan]

So in this specific instance, how do they differ substantially from the one I used.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Wichita%20St..html

Do they show that the examples given by shocktheheart of Alabama, Tennessee and Davidson are proof that Wichita State is playing competition in December that is stronger than Drake, Missouri State and Northern Iowa?

No. It shows Alabama, Tennessee, BYU, and St Louis as stronger than EVERY MVC school not named WSU. It also shows NCC as stronger than UNI. Oral Roberts as stronger than 7 MVC teams, Tulsa and Depaul as stronger than 4 other MVC teams, and EVERYBODY we've played as stronger than Loyola.

I know the answer to that but I'd like to see how honest you will be about it. What point is there to criticizing my source when your source of choice doesn't differ?

Of course you do answer man. It says you are wrong. Your source is significantly different.

Just like to argue

I can see that.

Believing that only Wichita State could get an at-large bid based upon wins against teams ranked lower than 3 Valley teams in an RPI source of your choosing is a hard case to make.

You are the only one saying this…Note how I answered everything you said…When two sides do that it's called a debate. When one side does it and the other doesn't…well my 5 year old does this too, so it's kinda cute.

Amazing. You are the only one here who has gone point by point but I am the only one here you have criticized for not doing that same thing. Well, you did say you can see my "likes to argue" point.

So I guess everyone else here is like your 5-year old: "kinda cute." Right?

[TheAnswerMan]

So in this specific instance, how do they differ substantially from the one I used.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Wichita%20St..html

I have stated that December 6th is too early to make prediction about at-large bids. You have faith in a forecast site. Thank you for providing it. I have copied it and will use it as a reference at the end of the year. You love the forecast. You have faith in the forecast. You believe that it is the only RPI worth noting. You believe that it shows the inferiority vs. your December opponents of every MVC team "not named WSU." In March, remember your praise of it. It will be put to the test. You will see it again. I will see to it, Wufan. A forecast of season's end that changes daily isn't worth one red cent. I don't think you can be certain on December 6th and, IRONICALLY, forecastRPI doesn't either. That is why they keep changing it. Duh!

[Wufan]

So in this specific instance, how do they differ substantially from the one I used.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Wichita%20St..html

You love the forecast. You have faith in the forecast. You believe that it is the only RPI worth noting. You believe that it shows the inferiority vs. your December opponents of every MVC team "not named WSU." In March, remember your praise of it.

That's not true at all. YOU ASKED THE QUESTION. I PROVIDED THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. I wasn't even involved in the discussion, however, when my child asks a question, I tend to oblige with an answer.

[Aargh]

December 6 is NOT too early to make predictions about at-large bids for the Valley. It's a PREDICTION. A proposal that something may or may not happen in the future.

My prediction is that no team not named WSU has a remote shot at an at large. An at laarge from the Valley whould be looking at an rpi around 40 at the end of the year. Valley teams are going to struggle to maintain an rpi value smaller than 100.

We're closing in on finishing 2/3 of the OOC portion of the season and it's getting late to try to get more teams that can provide top-100 wins, and even those aren't very valuable on Selection Sunday. Lose to couple of the rpi 150+ teams that will comprise half the league schedule, and you'd better have some top-50 rpi wins to offset that. Right now the Valley is 2-10 against rpi 1 - 50. WSU has both wins.

It just isn't brilliant to try to make arguments for at large bids out of the Valley this year. Not brilliant at all. Anyone doing so is risking getting labelled or known as either a somewhat "special" poster, or just a jerk looking to argue so he can read his own words over and over and over.

[glm38]

I agree with the theory that we are probably a one bid league unless WSU loses in St Louis. I see WSU as a tourney team unless they end up with several really bad losses. Barring injury problems I don't see that happening.

I do think the Bears have an outside shot at the ncaa's at this point. We are more likely an NIT team this year though.

[Black]

I just love how this poster continues to throw fissy fits about other Valley at-large chances but refuses to list any teams he thinks has at-large potential. All talk, no walk.

How can somebody get this insecure about something but fail to try and back up what they are trying to prove? What's the point of message boards if you can't discuss at-large possibilities until March? This is the most asinine discussion I've ever seen on a message board before. I agree that the trolling poster just likes to argue for the sake of arguing. No substance at all whatsoever.

[moshock]

I agree with the theory that we are probably a one bid league unless WSU loses in St Louis. I see WSU as a tourney team unless they end up with several really bad losses. Barring injury problems I don't see that happening.

I do think the Bears have an outside shot at the ncaa's at this point. We are more likely an NIT team this year though.

I think that MSU, Drake, and InSt all still have hopes for an at large. Other than InSt loss to Tulsa - non of them have any bad losses - however, other than InSt win over Notre Dame they don't have any good wins. There is still hope but they have to win some games.

We all have to get it done in the OOC.

[DUBulldog]

I agree with the theory that we are probably a one bid league unless WSU loses in St Louis. I see WSU as a tourney team unless they end up with several really bad losses. Barring injury problems I don't see that happening.

I do think the Bears have an outside shot at the ncaa's at this point. We are more likely an NIT team this year though.

I think that MSU, Drake, and InSt all still have hopes for an at large. Other than InSt loss to Tulsa - non of them have any bad losses - and other than InSt win over Notre Dame they don't have any good wins. There is still hope but they have to win some games.

Agreed. If Drake could somehow beat Iowa today and win the rest of their OOC games, they'd be in the mix for an at large with a good record in conference. That would leave them with a good win (Iowa) and no bad OOC losses. Not predicting this will happen, but it's not impossible.

[glm38]

I agree with the theory that we are probably a one bid league unless WSU loses in St Louis. I see WSU as a tourney team unless they end up with several really bad losses. Barring injury problems I don't see that happening.

I do think the Bears have an outside shot at the ncaa's at this point. We are more likely an NIT team this year though.

I think that MSU, Drake, and InSt all still have hopes for an at large. Other than InSt loss to Tulsa - non of them have any bad losses - however, other than InSt win over Notre Dame they don't have any good wins. There is still hope but they have to win some games.

We all have to get it done in the OOC.

By the end of the year that ISUb loss to Tulsa might not look so bad. I see Tulsa as a young improving team that will probably have a decent record and RPI by years end.