Catholic Basketball League

[jaybydna]

You almost understand, but your hatred of CU is clouding the situation. You see Creighton has already out-invested everyone in the MVC. We pay our coaches, invest in facilities (non-MBB; See Sokol, Ryan, Soccer, Practice Arena), have a large support staff in the ADs office. The thing that pays for all that is the ticket revenue from our rented facility. WE are tapped out. We have more money going out than coming in. There are only three ways to get more coming in. 1) TV Revenue, 2) NCAA Tourney money, 3) upping ticket revenue. Since we cannot up ticket costs for games with other North Texas and (no offense) Evansville, we need to look at options.

If other MVC schools were investing at the same rates as Creighton, then it would be possible to stay and get more revenue from TV or NCAA Tourney. However, we all no that only a few schools have the capability to make that investment, and therefore, we need to evaluate all options.

There is also the academic side, with research dollars, professional school collaborations, et al.

"You see Creighton has already out-invested everyone in the MVC."

This statement would be incorrect. Club BJ hasn't invested even close to the amount of money that Wichita State has. BJ's major capital improvements over the last decade have been bought and paid for by the citizens of Bugaha.

And I know that BJ is tapped out, they were tapped out 10 years ago as well. Had Bugaha not built the Missing Link, you would still be languishing in your older rented arena and drawing around 5,000 fans.

I don't hate BJ, I am appreciative that they have remained competitive in the Valley and helped WSU's strength of schedule. Just be careful when you start talking about money. WSU is the cash king in the Valley and it isn't even close.


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How many NCAA Tournament Units has all that investment that translated to in the last 20 years?

I really don't want a pissing match with you. You win! But the fact is Creighton needs NCAA Tournament Units, and single bid years in the MVC is not getting it for us.

[jaybydna]

Good Article:

http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2012/1 ... nt-history

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And back to the geography point, what a waste it is for conferences to spread out across the country. The Big East, Big 12, Big 10, ACC, and SEC were perfect geographically. Now everything is all fudged up and you have all these non-revenue college athletes (which make up at least 90% of college athletic programs) flying for hours all over the country. It's inefficient and wasteful. West Virginia to the Big 12???!!! Absolutely insane.


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[jayball]

TV=$$$$$$

Cold, you would be in front of the line if presented this opportunity (if it exist).

Of course any BJ or Shocker fan would want to improve the conference they are in, I was speaking from the Arrogant Big East defectors point of view as well as taking a stab at their hypocritical behavior as it relates to their "holy mission".

And yes, TV money would help the BJ's cause eventually, but in the short term it would be a strain. Also, we aren't talking about BCS football money here.

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So because they have a mission they aren't supposed to think like businessmen at all? dont get me wrong I think Georgetown is a pretentious as it gets, but the business case here is pretty evident. UCONN and Cincninati are willing to do anything to get out. It is only a matter of time there. The increased basketball $$ from being associated with BCS football is going away. Why would you wait until you have to negotiate with Tulane, houston, UCF, memphis? Now is the time to move if they are going to do it.

The money is the big question mark here. TV revenue obviously won't be anywhere near football caliber, but I would assume they could get a better deal than MVC could. Plus this type of league could (or even should) bring in more NCAA revenue from tourney bids.

Personally, I would think a 10 team league would mean less mouths to feed, and greater financial stability. I don't see CU making it in that case. But who the heck knows.

I just want to get out of the Valley so we don't have to compete with WSU anymore.

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But the fact is Creighton needs NCAA Tournament Units, and single bid years in the MVC is not getting it for us.

BJ needs NCAA Tournament Units? Well so does Evansville... It's called being broke. Wichita State has built its program through the investment of alumni and generous corporations. We own, we don't rent. The way you worded your comment makes it sound like you want another handout. Hasn't the great city of Bugaha done enough for you? Why don't you go out and actually win a couple games in the NCAA's every 10 years or so and perhaps you will find your fortunes growing?


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[jaybydna]

But the fact is Creighton needs NCAA Tournament Units, and single bid years in the MVC is not getting it for us.

BJ needs NCAA Tournament Units? Well so does Evansville... It's called being broke. Wichita State has built its program through the investment of alumni and generous corporations. We own, we don't rent. The way you worded your comment makes it sound like you want another handout. Hasn't the great city of Bugaha done enough for you? Why don't you go out and actually win a couple games in the NCAA's every 10 years or so and perhaps you will find your fortunes growing?


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Creighton has 11 NCAA Units since 1998. WSU has 4. I think UNI has quite a few as well, but what about the rest of the Valley? That is my point. To emphasize, if the proposed Catholic conference comes into fruition, EVERY SINGLE MEMBER would have an RPI under 100 as of today. How many NCAA Units would we get in the first year alone?

Its not a NEED as in we go bankrupt. It is a NEED as in we want to continue to invest more. But you already know that since you only quoted part of my original response.

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But the fact is Creighton needs NCAA Tournament Units, and single bid years in the MVC is not getting it for us.

BJ needs NCAA Tournament Units? Well so does Evansville... It's called being broke. Wichita State has built its program through the investment of alumni and generous corporations. We own, we don't rent. The way you worded your comment makes it sound like you want another handout. Hasn't the great city of Bugaha done enough for you? Why don't you go out and actually win a couple games in the NCAA's every 10 years or so and perhaps you will find your fortunes growing?


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Creighton has 11 NCAA Units since 1998. WSU has 4. I think UNI has quite a few as well, but what about the rest of the Valley? That is my point. To emphasize, if the proposed Catholic conference comes into fruition, EVERY SINGLE MEMBER would have an RPI under 100 as of today. How many NCAA Units would we get in the first year alone?

Its not a NEED as in we go bankrupt. It is a NEED as in we want to continue to invest more. But you already know that since you only quoted part of my original response.

My friend, if you are so broke that you need NCAA units to change the face of your program, then you need to just give up. And if I'm not mistaken, a bunch of one-and-dones are worth a helluva lot less than a Sweet Sixteen or Elite Eight run.

If you want to build your program in a noticeable way, it takes one of two things, massive TV revenue or massive donations from alumni. WSU has one of those, BJ has none.


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[ictjay]

Cold, again you are making this a CU/WSU thing. Its not. Sorry. Shox are the best, second to no one. They have the best of everything. For having such a far superior athletic program then Creighton, you sure let BJ get in your head.

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Cold, again you are making this a CU/WSU thing. Its not. Sorry. Shox are the best, second to no one. They have the best of everything. For having such a far superior athletic program then Creighton, you sure let BJ get in your head.

You made a funny.


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[DoubleJayAlum]

Grapes are sour in Wichita this time of year.