Exhibition game results - DePauw 66 Evansville 62

[jayball]

Jebus...WSU fans sure are whiny.

If they are such a joke just sweep them every year and thank them for the 2 Ws. Until then STFU. They haven't kept anyone out of the tourney.

[AndShock]

Jebus...WSU fans sure are whiny.

If they are such a joke just sweep them every year and thank them for the 2 Ws. Until then STFU. They haven't kept anyone out of the tourney.

If you're not going to get it after 9 pages, I don't think you're going to get it at all.

[Little Eddie]

Jebus...WSU fans sure are whiny.

If they are such a joke just sweep them every year and thank them for the 2 Ws. Until then STFU. They haven't kept anyone out of the tourney.

If you're not going to get it after 9 pages, I don't think you're going to get it at all.

I actually think he does get it...if WSU takes care of business like they should, they beat E-ville both games and possible get consideration for the dance. There are no nights off or gimme games in the Valley...don't blame E-ville for you team's inability to get it done that night. That just sounds pathetic...

Due to CU's recent history in the Valley, teams are more often than not very well prepared and excited to play the Jays (read target on their back). If and when the Jays lose to a "lesser team" I more often find myself blaming the Jays for not playing hard...looking past said team or whatever. In short, they should have taken care of business but didn't. I don't blame the "lesser team" for beating them.

[jayball]

It is easy to see how fans from WSU can scoff at the MVC and UE.
(Well everyone but MVCDRMVC of course)

The Shockers Valley history has been one of utter domination since joining in 1945. WSU is the second longest tenured member of this horrible conference. Do they just love to suck or what?

MVC Regular Season
WSU holds a .497 all time winning percentage in MVC games, ranking 6th out of the 10 current members. Clearly dominant and impressive. They are followed UNI at .477 and UE at .410. The Shockers boast 6 outright MVC titles 2006, 1983, 1981, 1976, 1965, 1964. Notably only one of those titles has been earned after the dreaded additions of UNI and UE. Drake has also won a MVC title during that time, so it can't be that hard.

RPI
The average overall RPI since 1992 for WSU is 143 (timeframe determined by info in the media guide). That ranks 7th out of the current 10 Valley members and just puts WSU into the top half of all D1 Programs. UNI is 6th in the MVC with a RPI 139 and UE comes in at 8th with a 164.

Conference Tournament Success
Since 1977 (that is as far as the online media guide goes), WSU has posted a .429 winning percentage at the conference tournament. 10 of their 21 wins came at home when WSU hosted the tournament in Wichita. Since moving the tourney to a neutral site WSU is 9-21. The Shocks won the tourney title twice in 1985 and 1987. They have winning tourny record against only 3 of the 10 current valley teams; ISUblue, SIU, and Drake.

Post Season
8 NCAA appearances ranks the third in the conference and likely provides the foundation for the Shockers scoffing perch. They have an 8-9 record in those appearances and their NCAA win percentage ranks 3rd in conference.

1964 1-1 (note: some websites called this an Elite Eight but others did not. It doesnt' appear WSU claims it but I'm listing it just in case)
1965 2-2(Final Four)

(In the modern world, winning 1 game in the tourney isn’t called an Elite Eight….. it is called Dana Altman’s biggest achievement. And winning 2 games these days is a S16 not a FF. However I am not going to give an asterisk to the 64 and 65 seasons. There were many fewer teams (22ish) competing in the NCAA tournament and WSU got a first round byes both years, but all D1 teams playing at that time had a similar opportunities. Basically I'm sure if CU had accomplished eithe of those, we would proudly boast of the FF or EE also. Side note: At this time UE was beating UNI in D2 hoops in a march to the National Championship. I think they try to boast of that also, but I don't know if anyone really lets them)

1976 0-1
1981 3-1(Elite Eight)
1985 0-1
1987 0-1
1988 0-1
2006 2-1 (Sweet Sixteen)

11 NIT appearances ranks 2nd in the conference behind Bradley (WSU's NIT record is 3-11)

WSU has the same number of NCAA appearances (1) as UE since the Aces joined the conference in 1994, although the Shockers were infinitely more successful in their appearance. WSU has the same number of Sweet Sixteens (1) as UNI since they joined the valley in 1991 (although UNI has been to 5 NCAA tourneys in that strech).

I guess it is just confusing why a team that hasn't been dominant in the Valley by really any measure since maybe the 1980s, would all of a sudden feel so much burden from one little formerly D2 private school? I mean seriously, if you want to kick someone out Drake and IndSt have worse numbers that Eville.

Face the fact guys you are in a midwest nonBCS conference. You have to earn your way in every year. Some years you have to be virtualy perfect to get at large consideration. Just adding WKU or Butler for UE isnt' getting you an auto ticket or guaranteeing the MVC multiple bids.

[DUBulldog]

Conference Tournament Success
Since 1977 (that is as far as the online media guide goes.......

I'm pretty certain that 1977 was the first year of the conference tournament.

[unipanther99]

Interesting that WSU won their first conference title in their 19th year in the conference, and repeated the next year. UNI won their first conference title in their 18th year in the conference, and repeated the next year.

This will be Evansville's 17th year in the conference. Repeat titles for the Aces in '11-'12 and '12-'13?

[AndShock]

Jebus...WSU fans sure are whiny.

If they are such a joke just sweep them every year and thank them for the 2 Ws. Until then STFU. They haven't kept anyone out of the tourney.

If you're not going to get it after 9 pages, I don't think you're going to get it at all.

I actually think he does get it...if WSU takes care of business like they should, they beat E-ville both games and possible get consideration for the dance. There are no nights off or gimme games in the Valley...don't blame E-ville for you team's inability to get it done that night. That just sounds pathetic...

Due to CU's recent history in the Valley, teams are more often than not very well prepared and excited to play the Jays (read target on their back). If and when the Jays lose to a "lesser team" I more often find myself blaming the Jays for not playing hard...looking past said team or whatever. In short, they should have taken care of business but didn't. I don't blame the "lesser team" for beating them.

You don't get it either, it's been said at least 3 times in this topic, probably more. I don't care that Evansville beat us. We were not prepared to go the NCAA tourney last year and it showed game after game. The point is that Evansville's victory over us was probably their #2 highlight of the season. That is what's pathetic.

As for our lack of success, it doesn't matter to me. We've been putting 10,000+ people in the seats the past 5 years, been bringing a lot of publicity to the Valley and are set to have a really good season. I really don't think we're comparable to Evansville in any way. It's not really about success either, SIU can suck for the next 20 years and I won't be calling for them to be kicked out of the conference because I think of them as a D1 program and I think they've earned their spot in the conference. I don't think Evansville has earned anything, and no, getting an upset victory does not automatically make you a good program or better than us in any way shape or form.

[iSASO]

Evansville is still in the conference? Seriously?

[WSUbballer]

Wow jayball.

Just when I think you have settled into an actual decent conversationalist, you pour your heart out with that monumental post. Nothing better to do on a Wednesday evening? How long did that manifesto take you?

Can we compare those awesome stats with Creighton? I would love to be compared to the God of this Conference.

Speaking of Conference Gods, who would we consider to be some of the big boys and butt-pullers of this league, since its inception? Is it Evansville? Maybe Creighton? How about Indiana State?


I know it's in your playbook to support Evansville as much as possible. It makes sense that they should be here. They have clearly pulled their weight in this league. Losing in back-to-back years to non-D1 schools isn't that embarrassing. Even outside of that, in the "bigger picture", it's obvious that they add a huge presence to this league and are fairly pulling in their share. I'm glad they are here, representing our conference in a great fashion, and pulling their own weight. Nevermind a lucky exhibition home loss. Think "bigger picture" and Evansville makes sense. Hell, even ask some UE fans like '82. He'll agree that UE belongs in the Valley.

Thanks again for your post about WSU jayball. It further cements your lack-of-mancrushness and Evansville's rightful place in the Valley!

[shockalot]

jayball makes good points, though, like most, paints with too broad a brush characterizing all WSU fans as thinking the same, etc. But there are more fun facts and stats from our collective basketball past. It is true that WSU was on a higher plateau in basketball for most of the 60's, part of the 70's and most of the 80's before nose diving into hell for about 13 unlucky years. Interestingly, Creighton was a team WSU beat in the NCAA tournament in both '64 and '65 if I remember correctly, and if you compare WSU's winning percentage against Creighton from '79 through '89, it is almost exactly the same as Creighton's winning percentage against WSU from '90 to '00. Most teams go through eras of higher and lower performance levels. Most of the current Valley members have had glory periods and abysmal periods, certainly true of these two teams as well as Bradley, SIU, MSU and Illinois St. as well. UNI and Evansville had glorious DII pasts and not nearly as long a DI experience to have yet determined if they can reach a glorious period, though UNI is knocking on the door. On the other hand, Indy St. only has the three Bird years, and Drake essentially has 1970. So, they are the proven exceptions.