When do we get our first Hacksaw graph?

[Bradleyfan1]

This has been a lot of fun to be the overachiever rather than the underachiever this year.

I expect to finish 3rd, but to have the highest percentage at 1st place with two play is pretty much a best-case if you told me that back in November.

I think you lose to the birds bounce back and beat Drake who loses to you but beats the sycs. I think Loyola loses out. What a crazy year. Arch Madness is going to be exactly that. Madness.

[Saluki 4 Life]

This has been a lot of fun to be the overachiever rather than the underachiever this year.

I expect to finish 3rd, but to have the highest percentage at 1st place with two play is pretty much a best-case if you told me that back in November.

I think you lose to the birds bounce back and beat Drake who loses to you but beats the sycs. I think Loyola loses out. What a crazy year. Arch Madness is going to be exactly that. Madness.

This is how unpredictable the conference is... You have Loyola losing out and I can totally see that, but I expect them to win out... Both are just as likely as the other. Every game is a virtual toss up. Evansville goes into Bradley and is a deep 3 away from beating one of the hottest teams in the league. I have no feel for who will win what game.

[Saluki 4 Life]

I know it has been addressed once on here but I want to try to clarify this... The tiebreakers are really confusing me and this may be the year they are needed more than ever.

If say, 5 teams tie the teams are put in a round robin together. They are then ranked by their record in that round robin, right? okay, so then what if 3 teams have the same record in the round robin out of those 5 again. round robin with just those 3? then if 2 teams have the same record out of the 3 team round robin it goes to head to head between the remaining 2?

It is hard to even word the question... It seems possible there is a 5 team tie somewhere though...

[Hacksaw]

I know it has been addressed once on here but I want to try to clarify this... The tiebreakers are really confusing me and this may be the year they are needed more than ever.

If say, 5 teams tie the teams are put in a round robin together. They are then ranked by their record in that round robin, right? okay, so then what if 3 teams have the same record in the round robin out of those 5 again. round robin with just those 3? then if 2 teams have the same record out of the 3 team round robin it goes to head to head between the remaining 2?

It is hard to even word the question... It seems possible there is a 5 team tie somewhere though...

The three teams that remain tied after the round robin are then put into another round robin between the three of them. The two teams that remain tied after the 2nd round robin are then looked at head to head. Basically every time a tie is broken, start back over with the tiebreaker for the remaining tied teams.

This is my understanding.

From the ValleyHoops twitter, it seems to support this concept:
https://twitter.com/ValleyHoops/status/ ... 0980082689

[Bearvision]

I know it has been addressed once on here but I want to try to clarify this... The tiebreakers are really confusing me and this may be the year they are needed more than ever.

If say, 5 teams tie the teams are put in a round robin together. They are then ranked by their record in that round robin, right? okay, so then what if 3 teams have the same record in the round robin out of those 5 again. round robin with just those 3? then if 2 teams have the same record out of the 3 team round robin it goes to head to head between the remaining 2?

It is hard to even word the question... It seems possible there is a 5 team tie somewhere though...

The three teams that remain tied after the round robin are then put into another round robin between the three of them. The two teams that remain tied after the 2nd round robin are then looked at head to head. Basically every time a tie is broken, start back over with the tiebreaker for the remaining tied teams.

This is my understanding.

From the ValleyHoops twitter, it seems to support this concept:
https://twitter.com/ValleyHoops/status/ ... 0980082689

Gotta love a dude responding to the official Twitter account posting the way the seeds would be with "incorrect."

[Sir Sci]

I know it has been addressed once on here but I want to try to clarify this... The tiebreakers are really confusing me and this may be the year they are needed more than ever.

If say, 5 teams tie the teams are put in a round robin together. They are then ranked by their record in that round robin, right? okay, so then what if 3 teams have the same record in the round robin out of those 5 again. round robin with just those 3? then if 2 teams have the same record out of the 3 team round robin it goes to head to head between the remaining 2?

It is hard to even word the question... It seems possible there is a 5 team tie somewhere though...

I agree that it's confusing. If you just read the MVC rules on their website, it sounds like when there's a multi-team tie it's mini-round robin first, and if there's ties in the mini-round robin then it goes directly to N.E.T.

But this is what the Valley tweeted yesterday in response to someone:

https://twitter.com/ValleyHoops/status/1099862640980082689

So it sounds like if there's a multi-team tie it first goes to mini-round robin record, and then if there's a two team tie within the mini-round robin it then goes to head-to-head record between those two teams, then if that doesn't resolve the tie it goes to N.E.T. rating. So basically that just muddies the waters as to what actually happens.

I'm guessing this is the clause that dictates how it works (per the Valley website):

The tie-breaking system for seeding of the State Farm MVC Tournament, regardless of whether a tie involves two or more teams, will utilize the following factors, in order, until all ties are broken.

So because two-way ties comes before multiple team ties in their rule, if there's a two-way tie within the multi-team tie, the two-way tie rule kicks in before you move to N.E.T. rating? I'm not sure, but that seems to be what the Valley's twitter said.

[Saluki 4 Life]

To be fair, the way the rule is written it sounds like the teams would simply be grouped and if the records anywhere in there are even it would go to NET. MVC should probably reword to clarify, because it seems most people are not really sure.

[Kip Dynamite]

What does it look like if UNI wins on Wednesday and Mo State, Drake, and Loyola all lose? That would create a 4 way tie for first. What would the tie breaker look like in that scenario?

[BCPanther]

What does it look like if UNI wins on Wednesday and Mo State, Drake, and Loyola all lose? That would create a 4 way tie for first. What would the tie breaker look like in that scenario?

4 Way tie scenarios--

If Drake over MSU
1-UNI
2-Loyola
3-Drake
4-MSU

If MSU over Drake
1-UNI
2-Loyola
3-MSU
4-Drake

[Hacksaw]

Final set of the individual team grids for the season. Some minor movements in numbers from last night's update would be due to updated Sagarin and NET figures.