MVC going to 12 with UIC and UTA?

[RacerJoeD]

Can we please stop saying Murray's market size is 37,000? TIA.

They are anchored on it.

[Mulefodder]

hells bels we got more problems than mavericks vs racers this dam covid thing is more cerious but people want to do own thing and be selfish like so of these presidents go bobcats beat the buffalos

[TBS_20]

hells bels we got more problems than mavericks vs racers this dam covid thing is more cerious but people want to do own thing and be selfish like so of these presidents go bobcats beat the buffalos

You have to be crazzyyymark

[MissouriValleyUnite]

hells bels we got more problems than mavericks vs racers this dam covid thing is more cerious but people want to do own thing and be selfish like so of these presidents go bobcats beat the buffalos

Um, who is this in reference to?

Ohio Bobcats play WMU Broncos
Quinnipiac Bobcats play Niagara Purple Eagles
Texas St Bobcats play South Alabama Jaguars
Montana St Bobcats play Idaho State Bengals

Colorado is the only Buffaloes in D1.

[acecard1]

hells bels we got more problems than mavericks vs racers this dam covid thing is more cerious but people want to do own thing and be selfish like so of these presidents go bobcats beat the buffalos

Um, who is this in reference to?

Ohio Bobcats play WMU Broncos
Quinnipiac Bobcats play Niagara Purple Eagles
Texas St Bobcats play South Alabama Jaguars
Montana St Bobcats play Idaho State Bengals

Colorado is the only Buffaloes in D1.

Did you check all the 8th grade games in Mississippi? I mean this is some really cerious stuff.

[mvfcfan]

hells bels we got more problems than mavericks vs racers this dam covid thing is more cerious but people want to do own thing and be selfish like so of these presidents go bobcats beat the buffalos

Um, who is this in reference to?

Ohio Bobcats play WMU Broncos
Quinnipiac Bobcats play Niagara Purple Eagles
Texas St Bobcats play South Alabama Jaguars
Montana St Bobcats play Idaho State Bengals

Colorado is the only Buffaloes in D1.

My guess is Montana State vs NDSU in the national championship game next weekend.

[pafan]

I'm privy to some of UNIs enrollment projections based on HS classes in Iowa and and Midwest. The coming cliff starting in 2025 is absolutely terrifying and that's as a state school. The private schools have to be positively shitting their pants at this point. That's why it's got to be Arlington and UIC first. 1 or 2 extra out of state students pet class paying out of state or private tuition can and will make a huge difference.

Agreed.

Full-time undergraduate Enrollment at Evansville is -32% from 2010 to 2020 (2010 being the earliest year I could get from the government's IPEDS database). 2021 data isn't yet available, but I understand from my contacts it is sharply negative. That's in a relatively decent demographic environment, where 4 year college enrollment has climbed slightly nationally.

The number of HS graduates in Indiana will likely decline by 8% or so in the next 5-7 years, which will mean that all colleges/universities will have to compete harder for students.

Put it all together, and I don't like the outlines of the picture. I'm a little bit ambivalent about the idea of having UTA as a recruiting tool for Evansville, just because I think UE needs a lot more help than can be gathered from flying a basketball team to UTA and committing 7 shot clock violations.

[mvfcfan]

Well it's now the Monday after New Year's. Should hear something within the next couple of weeks I'd think, since everyone is coming back from Xmas Vacation pretty soon.

[BruinGrad]

For what it's worth, I see a lot of discussion of enrollments and how they are affected by winning or conference changes. All I can add is what has happened to Belmont over the years. After 5 years as an NCAA independent, Belmont joined the Atlantic Sun conference. Since that time, the school has had 19 consecutive years of growth.

2 years later after joining the ASUN, we went to our first post-season tournament with an NIT appearance. Our student population growth dwarfed all other Middle Tennessee universities. 2 years later, we started a string of 3 consecutive NCAA appearances.

We joined the OVC for the 2012 season. For the next 9 years, we finished the regular season first or tied for first place 8 of those years. 3 of those years we went to the NCAA tournament and one year we qualified but the tournament was cancelled.

Since 2012, Belmont freshman enrollment has grown better than 20% each year. This comes during those OVC years when we play our conference games in such mega cities such as Martin, TN (population 10,254), Morehead, KY (7,510), Richmond, KY (36,839), Cookeville, TN (36,030), Jacksonville, AL (12,376), and Charleston, IL (19,967).

Jumping to a higher profile conference has helped Belmont, but it seems to me that NCAA appearances help enrollment more than playing in large metropolitan areas. Below is a link on a 2020 article on how NCAA tournament appearances affect student enrollment.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/find-coll ... nt-trends/

[Chuck A]

For what it's worth, I see a lot of discussion of enrollments and how they are affected by winning or conference changes. All I can add is what has happened to Belmont over the years. After 5 years as an NCAA independent, Belmont joined the Atlantic Sun conference. Since that time, the school has had 19 consecutive years of growth.

2 years later after joining the ASUN, we went to our first post-season tournament with an NIT appearance. Our student population growth dwarfed all other Middle Tennessee universities. 2 years later, we started a string of 3 consecutive NCAA appearances.

We joined the OVC for the 2012 season. For the next 9 years, we finished the regular season first or tied for first place 8 of those years. 3 of those years we went to the NCAA tournament and one year we qualified but the tournament was cancelled.

Since 2012, Belmont freshman enrollment has grown better than 20% each year. This comes during those OVC years when we play our conference games in such mega cities such as Martin, TN (population 10,254), Morehead, KY (7,510), Richmond, KY (36,839), Cookeville, TN (36,030), Jacksonville, AL (12,376), and Charleston, IL (19,967).

Jumping to a higher profile conference has helped Belmont, but it seems to me that NCAA appearances help enrollment more than playing in large metropolitan areas. Below is a link on a 2020 article on how NCAA tournament appearances affect student enrollment.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/find-coll ... nt-trends/

What you've just posted is not in dispute. It's widely known that NCAA appearances causes an enrollment explosion for the school that's made the Dance. The President's Council is looking for ways to help enrollment growth for ALL of its member institutions in ADDITION to Tournament appearances. I'd venture to say that of all of Belmont's appearances and runs, they did very little to nothing in helping other ASUN or OVC programs have "x" number of years of consecutive growth. As you mentioned, "Jumping to a higher profile conference has helped Belmont..."

Maybe the Council feels Belmont is more than an equal replacement for Loyola and won't add Murray. Maybe they'll still add Murray State. Who knows? It's not beyond the realm of possibility that the MVC adds all 4 candidates (UIC, UTA, Murray State, Kansas City) or maybe replace KC with a surprise #4...say an NKU. We'll just have to stay tuned.