Missouri State @Indiana State 1/19

[catkids]

There are 40 minutes in a game…..I think we can all agree on that.

A foul is a foul is a foul, whether in the first one second of the game or the last one second.

The referee that made the call made the correct call……..he had a split second to make the correct decision ignoring whether the shot was made or not. If missed, we go to overtime. If made and plus one, there is still .6 seconds remaining in a 40 minute game and the free throw is awarded.

To think the game was decided in the last 4.3 seconds by a drive to the basket accompanied by a foul is ludicrous as it completely ignores every play made or not made in between. The outcome is the result of total play. Both teams went at each other the entire game like warriors……like Ali vs
Fraizer.

Hell yes, it was a tough way to lose a hotly contested big game for both squads. The shoe could have been on the other foot and ISU-B fans would probably, including me, be upset and grabbing at whatever to explain away a tough loss to a team that had been shown absolutely no respect by ALL MVC fans.

We knew we had a deep and talented team with a blend of very good red shirt Freshmen and some veteran leadership. Three FRESHMEN played significant minutes last night. On the bench was another 6' 9" Freshmen who is being red shirted this year. He was a member of last year's Indiana All-Star team that played in the annual Indiana-Kentucky All-Star game.

McKenna had a plan to build a program when he became ISU's coach and he did so by red shirting 4 Freshman last year. Those four coupled with Freshman Steve McWhorter and this year's red shirt Freshman are part of that plan now being led by Coach Lansing.

These young players will be joined next year by Freshmen Justin Gant, 6' 9", of Terre Haute North. Gant will most likely be a member of this year's Indiana All Star team. Joining Gant next year will be two other recruits whose names escape me. One is a 6' 3" guard from Kileen, TX who scored 27 pts. in a recent outing. The other is a 6' 6" slasher from Indianapolis who is currently playing at one of the top basketball academy schools. He had earlier verballed to Univ. Of Cincinnati, but withdrew that to play for ISU and Coach Lansing when Lansing was named Coach as Lansing had recruited him and a bond had been established.

A few days ago, 6' 9" Khristian Smith, a Junior at Sullivan, IN High School announced that he will bring his game to ISU-B at the conclusion of his high school career.

There is a saying that information is power. Hopefully, MVC fans have more information about what is being built at ISU-B. As with anything in life, only time will tell the story. But from an ISU perspective, things are definitely on the up swing and to paraphrase a WSU saying, "Things are so bright i have to wear shades."

Hopefully, my post has informed all MVC.com followers and fans more about what is being built at ISU-B. I'm sure other MVC schools have their own stories to tell and all of us are not privy to that information. And that's all well and good as it only makes the MVC a great basketball conference.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I agree with your post 100%. A foul is a foul whether the 1st second or last and it should be called. It didn't take guts for the official to make that call that was his job. So many things happen in 40 minutes that call had no bearing on who won. I'm a bradley fan whos program is going in opposite directions of yours and i'm jealous. You got alot going in T.H. and we are heading for THurdays in ST L for a long time if changes aren't made here in river city. Great win last night trees. I really like MSU and you were able to get a win against them impresses me.

[UNI]

I don't understand what the problem is with some of these MSU fans. You played terrible? You shot 46%, over 85% from the line, and had you won the game you would've been bragging about your win over them. Unfortunately, you couldn't win the game. One of your players fouled at the end of the game and you are upset that it actually got called.

If it would've been MSU driving the lane, your fans would've been saying it was a foul. Simple as that. You are upset because you got the short end of the stick.

MSU is a good team. You have the opportunity to make it to the dance, possibly win the Valley, and lead our conference to another postseason victory. Unfortunately, as of right now, you are looking up at ISUb. Deal with it and quit complaining.

[MSUBear42]

MSU is a good team. You have the opportunity to make it to the dance, possibly win the Valley, and lead our conference to another postseason victory. Unfortunately, as of right now, you are looking up at ISUb. Deal with it and quit complaining.

We aren't looking up at anything. We are both 7-1. But WE are 15-4 after playing a ridiculous road conference schedule. FIVE of your first 8 Valley games have been at home. Five of MSU's 8 have been on the road, but we've had to play AT UNI, CU, and WSU. Evansville (Loss), Drake and Bradley are NOTHING like play @ UNI (Win), CU (Win), and WSU (Win).


Congrats on the win last night, your team was unstoppable from three there in the second half.

See you in a few weeks at JQH!

[MSUBear42]

By the way, if you guys were THAT confident in your team, you should be saying, "We would have beat you in overtime, anyways." But NO, you ISU fans K N O W you caught a break by having the game handed to you in the form of a free throw.

[valleychamp]

Its no fluke anymore. ISU is good. They have proven they can beat some good teams.

Everyone needs to realize that they are simply a better team than they were 2 months ago. Until someone proves that they can beat the Sycs, they deserve to be taken seriously.

[WSUbballer]

Evansville proved that a few weeks ago..

[Bluejay09Bear06]

Everyone needs to realize that they are simply a better team than they were 2 months ago.

Until they can prove that they can beat anyone decent on the road, I'm not sold. Even bad teams can win at home. They didn't lose at home in the non-con, either, but no one was fluttering about how Indiana State is the new Gonzaga. Last time I checked, Arch Madness is not held in Terre Haute so good luck to the Sycamores with that. By the way, is anyone else sick to death of bad Valley teams that just happen to get hot in the middle of conference season and make sure our Conference RPI stays in the double digits? I'm sick of "miracle" teams. Real life isn't Hoosiers - take me back to 2006 when the top half our league EARNED respect by taking down BCS teams in the nonconference and taking care of business in league play. Save your fairy tales for bedtime stories.

[DieHardMSUFan]

ISU outhustled us a lot in that game....I said it in a previous post. ISU hit 4 or 5 straight 3s to get back in the game, nobody is saying they did not deserve the win. Several people have said MSU played like crap...which I don't entirely agree with, but we were very uncharacteristic. Tennessee and OSU could not drive to the basket on us like ISU did in the last 8 minutes of the game. I was getting really pissed at the ISU players beating our guys down the lane over and over again. Something was amiss with MSU down the stretch as nobody has been able to do that on us, and I don't think ISUs guards are that much better than Tenn or OSUs to do that to us. Something was definately up with our one on one D in that game that was out of the norm.

To the call at the end...it was crap, every ISU fan knows it, and they are the only one's who would think otherwise...those calls are just not made at the end of a game and I would expect to not get the call if the role was reversed...whether I agreed with the foul or not, I would expect the ref to let the players decide unless it was just a crazy hack, which this was definately not.

A few ISU posters have said that they did not make that call for the entire second half and then "made up for it" on the last call. If that is the case, then it is even a crappier call, because players adjust to the flow of the game. If the players have not been being called on it for a game, then they know the way they can play the game with that ref crew. Makes it even a worse call to go away from the trend of the game.

All in all, the one post that I completely agree with is that when the buzzer sounded, MSU had one less point and none of this banter will change it.

[Bawss]

Its no fluke anymore. ISU is good. They have proven they can beat some good teams.

Everyone needs to realize that they are simply a better team than they were 2 months ago. Until someone proves that they can beat the Sycs, they deserve to be taken seriously.

Huh? That's a bunch of bs. Teams NEVER get better.........lol

Seriously though I don't understand how people expect the team to be consistent in non-conference play given their circumstances.

-Plenty of young and new players(who play significant roles)
-New coach
-New system
-Most of the non-con games being away games.....There was like... 3 at home or something

Does that equal being a consistent team from the jump to anyone? Honestly I was happy with them coming out with .500 at the end of that schedule. Our team got better and lansing seems to be STILL trying to find out where players will best fit in.....all this and 2 of our leading players got injured and they still were pulling out wins. How is what this team is doing right now not respectful to some people? lol.

[MSUDuo]

:huh: I don't understand what the problem is with some of these MSU fans. You played terrible? You shot 46%, over 85% from the line, and had you won the game you would've been bragging about your win over them. Unfortunately, you couldn't win the game. One of your players fouled at the end of the game and you are upset that it actually got called.

If it would've been MSU driving the lane, your fans would've been saying it was a foul. Simple as that. You are upset because you got the short end of the stick.

MSU is a good team. You have the opportunity to make it to the dance, possibly win the Valley, and lead our conference to another postseason victory. Unfortunately, as of right now, you are looking up at ISUb. Deal with it and quit complaining.

Of course. Everyone on the other side wouldn't have an issue. That is human nature.

The point is that there are several types of fouls. The fact that you could call a foul on almost every possession, yet there are tons that aren't, proves that. That was a not foul worthy of being called at that time. Having not seen the game live but having seen two different replays, it is hard to tell if he got any piece of him. Did Weems bring his arm down towards Kelley? Yes, without a doubt. But that doesn't mean he made contact and that doesn't mean he made enough contact to warrant a foul being called that decided the game...

I won't say ISUb lucked into wins but they had to survive two games AT HOME within the last second. But they did. Now they get to go on the road where they could be 8-5 in Valley play and battling for 5th place in two weeks time