Creighton to A-10?

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Postby BirdmanBB » April 20th, 2012, 1:20 pm

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Postby CaseyGarrisonforPrez » April 21st, 2012, 10:09 am

This is no bueno. Evidently being proactive to Doug Elgin involves ordering the acne cream that Jessica Simpson endorses. Let me put it this way: Firing Doug Elgin today and immediately hiring Dan Beebe would be an absolute upgrade. And the college sports world would agree.
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Re: Creighton to A-10?

Postby TylerDurden » April 21st, 2012, 5:10 pm

CaseyGarrisonforPrez wrote:This is no bueno. Evidently being proactive to Doug Elgin involves ordering the acne cream that Jessica Simpson endorses. Let me put it this way: Firing Doug Elgin today and immediately hiring Dan Beebe would be an absolute upgrade. And the college sports world would agree.



Dan Beebe is not an upgrade over Doug Elgin in any way, shape or form for the MVC.
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Re: Creighton to A-10?

Postby CaseyGarrisonforPrez » April 22nd, 2012, 7:55 pm

Dan Beebe did a great job in the Ohio Valley. He also is incredibly well connected in terms of conference realignment and from what I have heard would be very interested in being Valley commish. It is my firm belief that if he was here we'd have Butler in the league and he would hold Father Biondi's feet to the fire and force SLU to the table as well. Missouri State and Wichita's leadership have been less than impressed with Elgin post 2006 from what I have heard. He'll just happily watch why the A10 steals CU and when the football people win out and ISURed joins the MAC. It'll eventually force us to CUSA or the WAC too just because he will try to patch it up with Emporia State and Drury or some garbage.
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Re: Creighton to A-10?

Postby MoValley John » April 23rd, 2012, 12:48 am

Dan Beebe?

Quick question, how could a commissioner of a conference hold Biondi's feet to the fire when SLU isn't even a member of the same conference? And this is the guy that was so successful in holding Nebraska's feet to the fire when he was the commissioner of the Big 12. He did another fabulous job coaxing a&m to stay. His fine efforts in keeping those schools opened the door for Mizzou to leave as well. After all of this, didn't the Big12 give him a lifetime contract?

And Elgin is going to force MSU to C-USA too?

I just read this site again for the first time in a few Weeks, I better take another break from it.
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Re: Creighton to A-10?

Postby TylerDurden » April 23rd, 2012, 8:41 am

CaseyGarrisonforPrez wrote:Dan Beebe did a great job in the Ohio Valley. He also is incredibly well connected in terms of conference realignment and from what I have heard would be very interested in being Valley commish. It is my firm belief that if he was here we'd have Butler in the league and he would hold Father Biondi's feet to the fire and force SLU to the table as well. Missouri State and Wichita's leadership have been less than impressed with Elgin post 2006 from what I have heard. He'll just happily watch why the A10 steals CU and when the football people win out and ISURed joins the MAC. It'll eventually force us to CUSA or the WAC too just because he will try to patch it up with Emporia State and Drury or some garbage.


Biondi's feet may eventually feel fire, but Dan Beebe won't be the one that makes it happen. SLU is not an option, never has been.

I'm not sure you're familiar with the fact that Butler would have been in the league for nearly 20 years now if it weren't for Missouri State (among a couple of others), but you should ask your connections about that.

Beebe is connected with realignment - he lost his league and job because of it. It's interesting that you want to replace the commissioner of the most stable league in the country with a guy who lost his job because he couldn't maintain that same stability.
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Re: Creighton to A-10?

Postby title » May 1st, 2012, 3:45 am

3-point shot: The Atlantic-10's coup

1. The Butler Bulldogs and the A-10 are expected to come a resolution within two weeks, according to at least one source close to the situation. The plan would be for Butler to join the A-10 for the 2013-14 season and replace the Temple Owls. Butler has always been the first choice for the A-10, once the Owls were on the move to the Big East. If A-10 commissioner Bernadette McGlade pulls this off it should go down as the second most significant basketball realignment coup behind the ACC getting the Syracuse Orange and the Pittsburgh Panthers from the Big East. The A-10 would be at 14 if it gets Butler. Expanding to 16, which isn't a necessity, is the only way the VCU Rams and George Mason Patriots come into the picture out of the CAA.
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Re: Creighton to A-10?

Postby MVCfans » May 1st, 2012, 6:06 am

title wrote:3-point shot: The Atlantic-10's coup

1. The Butler Bulldogs and the A-10 are expected to come a resolution within two weeks, according to at least one source close to the situation. The plan would be for Butler to join the A-10 for the 2013-14 season and replace the Temple Owls. Butler has always been the first choice for the A-10, once the Owls were on the move to the Big East. If A-10 commissioner Bernadette McGlade pulls this off it should go down as the second most significant basketball realignment coup behind the ACC getting the Syracuse Orange and the Pittsburgh Panthers from the Big East. The A-10 would be at 14 if it gets Butler. Expanding to 16, which isn't a necessity, is the only way the VCU Rams and George Mason Patriots come into the picture out of the CAA.


By all accounts, it's a win-win. I'm surprised it has taken this long to be honest.
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Re: Creighton to A-10?

Postby TheAsianSensation » May 1st, 2012, 7:55 am

This is only tangentially related to the thread, but it's an idea I wanted to park somewhere.

If the Valley needed a replacement member or to expand, a new school has opened up IMO.

New Mexico State.

The WAC is about to be blown to smithereens. Pretty much everyone but them and Idaho are leaving. Putting aside their problem of where to park their football program (independence in FBS or a FCS conference like the Southland), they need to park their other sports elsewhere.

If they want to try football independence to stay in FBS, would the Valley be wise to offer them a basketball home? Geographic footprint is a bit stretchy, but they have an 11-year history with the Valley and offer a very competent basketball program.
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Re: Creighton to A-10?

Postby TylerDurden » May 1st, 2012, 9:20 am

MVCfans wrote:
title wrote:3-point shot: The Atlantic-10's coup

1. The Butler Bulldogs and the A-10 are expected to come a resolution within two weeks, according to at least one source close to the situation. The plan would be for Butler to join the A-10 for the 2013-14 season and replace the Temple Owls. Butler has always been the first choice for the A-10, once the Owls were on the move to the Big East. If A-10 commissioner Bernadette McGlade pulls this off it should go down as the second most significant basketball realignment coup behind the ACC getting the Syracuse Orange and the Pittsburgh Panthers from the Big East. The A-10 would be at 14 if it gets Butler. Expanding to 16, which isn't a necessity, is the only way the VCU Rams and George Mason Patriots come into the picture out of the CAA.


By all accounts, it's a win-win. I'm surprised it has taken this long to be honest.


On the surface, you see a good basketball team and a good basketball league talking about coming together. That does seem like a win-win. But there is a lot of upheaval during a process like this -- more than most realize.

I would never suggest that the A10 isn't a superior basketball league to the Horizon, but the Horizon League has been a very good thing for Butler. Life is very different when you aren't the big fish in a small pond. I think Butler realizes this and is trying to ensure that it can enter with the most favorable terms possible. If it doesn't get terms it likes, they don't have to go anywhere.

The A10 has to be careful about how it adds teams and the deals they cut.
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