How long before the AAC implodes?

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Re: How long before the AAC implodes?

Postby Stickboy46 » March 20th, 2019, 6:59 am

BCPanther wrote:The football schools are getting $7M.

Wichita is getting substantially less.

Leaving looks worse every single day. The TV situation is pretty much exactly the same. The at large chances aren't any better. They've exponentially increased travel costs.


It does?

Top 100 NET Teams
AAC: 10
MVC:0

At Large Bids NCAA
AAC: 4
MVC: 0

At Large Bids NIT
AAC: 2
MVC: 0

Television payout
WSU in AAC: ~2 million (30/40% of 1 share)
All of the MVC: 0

Conference Ranking per NET
AAC: 6
MVC: 17? i think it ended up

NCAA Seeds:
AAC: 3,7,9,11
MVC: 15
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Re: How long before the AAC implodes?

Postby BEARZ77 » March 20th, 2019, 7:07 am

VUGrad1314 wrote:I should be banned because I enjoy posting about realignment and college sports news in general? Power trip much? I know plenty about the MVC and do tons of research on its teams but I don't have to prove my bona fides to you or anybody. Don't like it? Don't read it. I post to inform and share my thoughts and defend my school when needed. I would cut out the backseat moderating especially since I've done nothing wrong and hardly ever post anything remotely controversial or tearing down other teams unnecessarily. I'm very supportive and encouraging of the MVC and I want to see it get better but I also follow the college sports landscape in general so I share that news when I think it might be interesting to the discussion. Enjoy the fact that you have a good team and that your school picked a good coach while mine didn't. I wish your team and the MVC nothing but continued success although all it seems like you and most who interact with me want to do is bash and attack me just because I find realignment interesting.


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Re: How long before the AAC implodes?

Postby nafstrops » March 20th, 2019, 7:26 am

BUDude wrote:Basically if you want to watch AAC sports it’s going to be behind an espn+ paywall. Terrible deal.


Actually the same number of games that were on ESPN, ESPN2, and the U will continue to be there. All the rest of the games will be on espn+
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Re: How long before the AAC implodes?

Postby BCPanther » March 20th, 2019, 7:56 am

Stickboy46 wrote:
BCPanther wrote:The football schools are getting $7M.

Wichita is getting substantially less.

Leaving looks worse every single day. The TV situation is pretty much exactly the same. The at large chances aren't any better. They've exponentially increased travel costs.


It does?

Top 100 NET Teams
AAC: 10
MVC:0

At Large Bids NCAA
AAC: 4
MVC: 0

At Large Bids NIT
AAC: 2
MVC: 0

Television payout
WSU in AAC: ~2 million (30/40% of 1 share)
All of the MVC: 0

Conference Ranking per NET
AAC: 6
MVC: 17? i think it ended up

NCAA Seeds:
AAC: 3,7,9,11
MVC: 15


I would caution you to not compare a historically good season in the AAC to a historically bad season in the Valley. How many of those NET rankings got pulled up by Houston and Cincinnati? UCF is not a repeatable situation and Fran Dunphy was given a retirement present.

Also, there was no Grant of Rights so Houston or anyone else could walk out that door tomorrow and the Conference Composition clause allows ESPN to reopen that deal based on who's still in the league. Also, indications that ESPN is going to end the sub-licensing agreement with CBS Sports Net so that the vast majority of AAC games are going to end up on ESPN+ just like the Valley.

Wichita did what they thought was best but still something I think they regret 10 years from now.
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Re: How long before the AAC implodes?

Postby Stickboy46 » March 20th, 2019, 8:03 am

BCPanther wrote:
Stickboy46 wrote:
BCPanther wrote:The football schools are getting $7M.

Wichita is getting substantially less.

Leaving looks worse every single day. The TV situation is pretty much exactly the same. The at large chances aren't any better. They've exponentially increased travel costs.


It does?

Top 100 NET Teams
AAC: 10
MVC:0

At Large Bids NCAA
AAC: 4
MVC: 0

At Large Bids NIT
AAC: 2
MVC: 0

Television payout
WSU in AAC: ~2 million (30/40% of 1 share)
All of the MVC: 0

Conference Ranking per NET
AAC: 6
MVC: 17? i think it ended up

NCAA Seeds:
AAC: 3,7,9,11
MVC: 15


I would caution you to not compare a historically good season in the AAC to a historically bad season in the Valley. How many of those NET rankings got pulled up by Houston and Cincinnati? UCF is not a repeatable situation and Fran Dunphy was given a retirement present.

Also, there was no Grant of Rights so Houston or anyone else could walk out that door tomorrow and the Conference Composition clause allows ESPN to reopen that deal based on who's still in the league. Also, indications that ESPN is going to end the sub-licensing agreement with CBS Sports Net so that the vast majority of AAC games are going to end up on ESPN+ just like the Valley.

Wichita did what they thought was best but still something I think they regret 10 years from now.


Historically good .. no they got 4 bid just a couple years ago. There were four bids. That's without UCONN, Memphis and WSU getting a bid. UCONN just hired a proven coach and has a Top 20 class coming in. Memphis has the number 1 recruit in the nation coming in and a Top 5/10 class and WSU has really good recruiting classes coming in and all of the freshmen will become sophomores. AAC will be better next year than this year.

You can say you think they will regret it, but it's just sour grapes because UNI isn't really worth anything anymore.
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Re: How long before the AAC implodes?

Postby AndShock » March 20th, 2019, 9:02 am

Did someone seriously say the at-large chances in the AAC are the same as the MVC? Hahahahaha

That is full delusion.
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Re: How long before the AAC implodes?

Postby Red » March 20th, 2019, 9:08 am

Let's be clear about the new AAC TV deal. It looks eerily similar to a lot of mid-majors actually.

Yes, WSU is going to get a share of the TV money but it's at the expense of the fans because now you have to pay to get ESPN+. So WSU fans are simply subsidizing this. And instead of being on ESPN and the family of networks in like 75 million homes, your game will now only be seen by your own fans who pay to watch them. The casual sports fan flipping channels will NEVER see a WSU game.

Lastly since there was no GOR in the deal, every single school worth a crap is still going to do everything they can to leave the AAC.

Enjoy the ride.
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Re: How long before the AAC implodes?

Postby AndShock » March 20th, 2019, 9:20 am

Red wrote:Let's be clear about the new AAC TV deal. It looks eerily similar to a lot of mid-majors actually.

Yes, WSU is going to get a share of the TV money but it's at the expense of the fans because now you have to pay to get ESPN+. So WSU fans are simply subsidizing this. And instead of being on ESPN and the family of networks in like 75 million homes, your game will now only be seen by your own fans who pay to watch them. The casual sports fan flipping channels will NEVER see a WSU game.

Lastly since there was no GOR in the deal, every single school worth a crap is still going to do everything they can to leave the AAC.

Enjoy the ride.


So instead of being in the MVC and being on ESPN+ with no money we are on ESPN+ with $2 million a year. Damn, we fucked up.
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Re: How long before the AAC implodes?

Postby Stickboy46 » March 20th, 2019, 9:24 am

Red wrote:Let's be clear about the new AAC TV deal. It looks eerily similar to a lot of mid-majors actually.

Yes, WSU is going to get a share of the TV money but it's at the expense of the fans because now you have to pay to get ESPN+. So WSU fans are simply subsidizing this. And instead of being on ESPN and the family of networks in like 75 million homes, your game will now only be seen by your own fans who pay to watch them. The casual sports fan flipping channels will NEVER see a WSU game.

Lastly since there was no GOR in the deal, every single school worth a crap is still going to do everything they can to leave the AAC.

Enjoy the ride.


There will be the same number of games on the main networks. They are just moving the ESPN3 content to ESPN+, like they will do with ALL ESPN3 content eventually.

Those games were never to be seen by a casual fan. ESPN doesn't magically have content to fill all of those slots now.
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Re: How long before the AAC implodes?

Postby BCPanther » March 20th, 2019, 9:37 am

Stickboy46 wrote:
Red wrote:Let's be clear about the new AAC TV deal. It looks eerily similar to a lot of mid-majors actually.

Yes, WSU is going to get a share of the TV money but it's at the expense of the fans because now you have to pay to get ESPN+. So WSU fans are simply subsidizing this. And instead of being on ESPN and the family of networks in like 75 million homes, your game will now only be seen by your own fans who pay to watch them. The casual sports fan flipping channels will NEVER see a WSU game.

Lastly since there was no GOR in the deal, every single school worth a crap is still going to do everything they can to leave the AAC.

Enjoy the ride.


There will be the same number of games on the main networks. They are just moving the ESPN3 content to ESPN+, like they will do with ALL ESPN3 content eventually.

Those games were never to be seen by a casual fan. ESPN doesn't magically have content to fill all of those slots now.


You're also (most likely) losing all of your CBS Sports Net games to ESPN+ as well. In Wichita's case that's 11 games that go from National TV to behind a paywall. The grant of rights situation is huge as well if the Big 12 decides that Houston and Cincy or Memphis look good.

Look, I don't begrudge Wichita for leaving to improve their situation but let's not pretend its the perfect, stable situation that they are making it out to be. As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
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