2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby TBS_20 » July 11th, 2022, 4:56 pm

RacerJoeD wrote:This is a bit off topic but hopefully close enough. A lot has been said about OOC scheduling and even unbalanced conference schedules… here is an interesting development from the WAC

https://twitter.com/mattnorlander/statu ... 2uZdyn8Clw



Awesome. I'll be keeping an eye on this. The response from the schools after the first year. If nothing else they took a major swing and they should be complimented for it. I'm not sure what the right thing is but at least they're doing something.......hint, hint.
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Postby unipanther99 » July 12th, 2022, 8:28 am

It's interesting, but I think the MVC needs to wait and let things settle for a couple of years now that we have 12 teams.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby BuBrave2006 » July 12th, 2022, 9:52 am

unipanther99 wrote:It's interesting, but I think the MVC needs to wait and let things settle for a couple of years now that we have 12 teams.


Or we could just kick Valpo and Evansville out if they don't start winning
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby mvfcfan » July 12th, 2022, 10:28 am

I'm not really a fan of what the WAC is doing. I understand that in today's age with unbalanced conference scheduling some teams may have a very slight advantage over the others, but I think the conference season should actually mean something. I'd rather see the league go to divisions than do that.

Honestly my preferred model at this point would be a complete round robin of 22 games as opposed to just 20. The non-conference part of the season does very little to excite me and most Valley schools don't really schedule very good games for the most part anyways to no fault of their own. Scheduling good games is just tough these days, and besides that I'd rather see a game against Missouri State and Valpo, than against Green Bay and Northern Illinois. Those two latter non-con teams just don't mean anything to me as a fan.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby RacerJoeD » July 12th, 2022, 10:46 am

I’m reminded of the scheduling model that was pushed by Mark Adams a couple years ago
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby BCPanther » July 12th, 2022, 12:38 pm

mvfcfan wrote:I'm not really a fan of what the WAC is doing. I understand that in today's age with unbalanced conference scheduling some teams may have a very slight advantage over the others, but I think the conference season should actually mean something. I'd rather see the league go to divisions than do that.

Honestly my preferred model at this point would be a complete round robin of 22 games as opposed to just 20. The non-conference part of the season does very little to excite me and most Valley schools don't really schedule very good games for the most part anyways to no fault of their own. Scheduling good games is just tough these days, and besides that I'd rather see a game against Missouri State and Valpo, than against Green Bay and Northern Illinois. Those two latter non-con teams just don't mean anything to me as a fan.


The league doesn't need to guarantee itself 12 more losses. 20 is the right number, now the rest of the league needs to step up and schedule well.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby squirrel » July 12th, 2022, 1:25 pm

If those "12 more losses" help your numbers more than "12 more garbage wins" then 22 is absolutely the way to go. The way so many of our schools schedule now, in the vast majority of cases the losses will win out, mathematically. I know that's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's true.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby BCPanther » July 12th, 2022, 1:38 pm

squirrel wrote:If those "12 more losses" help your numbers more than "12 more garbage wins" then 22 is absolutely the way to go. The way so many of our schools schedule now, in the vast majority of cases the losses will win out, mathematically. I know that's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's true.


Why should UNI, Drake, Missouri State, Murray, Belmont and others have to sacrifice opportunities for at large quality wins because the rest of the league chooses to not schedule worth a damn?

I would sure as hell take our games with Towson, Toledo, Richmond, Virginia, etc over an extra game with Evansville, Indiana State, Valpo, etc.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby squirrel » July 12th, 2022, 1:53 pm

BCPanther wrote:
squirrel wrote:If those "12 more losses" help your numbers more than "12 more garbage wins" then 22 is absolutely the way to go. The way so many of our schools schedule now, in the vast majority of cases the losses will win out, mathematically. I know that's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's true.


Why should UNI, Drake, Missouri State, Murray, Belmont and others have to sacrifice opportunities for at large quality wins because the rest of the league chooses to not schedule worth a damn?

I would sure as hell take our games with Towson, Toledo, Richmond, Virginia, etc over an extra game with Evansville, Indiana State, Valpo, etc.


I get it, and if I was UNI I would feel the same way. But because the rest of the league is chicken- it brings down everyone else. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. So for the benefit of the league at large, it's still the way to go.
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Re: 2022-23 Out of Conference Schedules.

Postby Action10 » July 12th, 2022, 7:19 pm

squirrel wrote:
BCPanther wrote:Why should UNI, Drake, Missouri State, Murray, Belmont and others have to sacrifice opportunities for at large quality wins because the rest of the league chooses to not schedule worth a damn?

I would sure as hell take our games with Towson, Toledo, Richmond, Virginia, etc over an extra game with Evansville, Indiana State, Valpo, etc.


I get it, and if I was UNI I would feel the same way. But because the rest of the league is chicken- it brings down everyone else. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. So for the benefit of the league at large, it's still the way to go.

I agree with BCPanther on this one. Think about this... The WCC went from 18 league games down to 16 a few years back. The sole reason for this was to allow Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and BYU to have 2 more quality non-conference games instead of playing a home game with Portland or Pepperdine. The WCC didn't try to fix the way San Diego or Portland schedule by playing more league games.
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