Which of these team would you be okay with joining the MVC?

[TBS_20]

If the scholarship football schools split my guess is the MVC will be (no D2 schools):

Belmont
Bradley
Drake
Evansville
Illinois-Chicago
Northern Kentucky
Oral Roberts
St. Thomas
Texas-Arlington
Valparaiso

[Action10]

I don't know how voting went down for Murray State to the MVFC...or even if that voting has taken place (is that why the MVC hasn't extended any formal invitation to them yet?). I would think if anyone wouldn't want Murray State in the MVFC, it'd be the western teams who would have to play NDSU and SDSU every year...although that would be UNI and MSU, and idk how that decision gels with allowing/inviting Murray St. to the MVC.

As for a Private/Public split, idk that that's likely to happen any time soon, mostly because there's not really a good place for the private schools to go. Bradley, Belmont, Drake, Evansville, and Valpo...that's not enough for a conference on their own without bringing in more schools (Bellarmine?...Lipscomb?). Would the A10 look into adding a couple of the more successful ones? Do the rest go (back, in some cases) to the Horizon League? Not really many good options for them beyond where they're at currently.

The public schools have options in terms of who to tie themselves to...Dakota schools...Murray State, Northern Kentucky, UIC, just about everyone mentioned for future MVC expansion at this point, but if something needs to be voted on for that to happen, a 5-5 split of public/private schools seems like it's unlikely to vote for splitting up the conference. Then again, I only have a vague idea of the MVC internal politics that go on, so maybe I'm way off base.

According to the people on the SIU board Murray is a no-go in the MVC because the MVFC already declined to invite them.
If they are right, I am assuming it was the Dakota schools and WIU that caused it. I can't see much reason for not wanting their basketball program in a supposed basketball-first league.

[usmcsaluki]

Duke and North Carolina will join the OVC before the MVC splits for football reasons.

[ST_Lawson]

According to the people on the SIU board Murray is a no-go in the MVC because the MVFC already declined to invite them.
If they are right, I am assuming it was the Dakota schools and WIU that caused it. I can't see much reason for not wanting their basketball program in a supposed basketball-first league.

Ah, ok...that makes sense. Murray State in the MVFC doesn't do anything to help the schools not in the MVC, and really, the MVFC has too many football teams already, so I could see them saying no to it on that basis. That would also explain why all the other current or future candidates being floated around either don't have football or are non-scholarship football (St. Thomas).

I was thinking too much in terms of the public vs private split, rather than the football vs no (scholarship) football split.

[BCPanther]

If the scholarship football schools split my guess is the MVC will be (no D2 schools):

Belmont
Bradley
Drake
Evansville
Illinois-Chicago
Northern Kentucky
Oral Roberts
St. Thomas
Texas-Arlington
Valparaiso

Jesus f***.

Why would the non-footballs leave UNI, Illinois State and SIU for that group?

UNI is getting a call to the Big 10 before that happens.

Also, UNI LEFT THE NORTH CENTRAL CONFERENCE IN 1979 AND WILL NEVER BE IN AN ALL SPORTS LEAGUE WITH NORTH DAKOTA STATE AGAIN.

Even without the bad blood, why would UNI, SIU, ISUs, leave for a worse league, to make less money, to play schools that are farther away, in areas with no people.

[TBS_20]

Because you have to start somewhere. The MVC isn't for ISUr and MoSt. Any longer

[Murraygrad05]

I don't know how voting went down for Murray State to the MVFC...or even if that voting has taken place (is that why the MVC hasn't extended any formal invitation to them yet?). I would think if anyone wouldn't want Murray State in the MVFC, it'd be the western teams who would have to play NDSU and SDSU every year...although that would be UNI and MSU, and idk how that decision gels with allowing/inviting Murray St. to the MVC.

As for a Private/Public split, idk that that's likely to happen any time soon, mostly because there's not really a good place for the private schools to go. Bradley, Belmont, Drake, Evansville, and Valpo...that's not enough for a conference on their own without bringing in more schools (Bellarmine?...Lipscomb?). Would the A10 look into adding a couple of the more successful ones? Do the rest go (back, in some cases) to the Horizon League? Not really many good options for them beyond where they're at currently.

The public schools have options in terms of who to tie themselves to...Dakota schools...Murray State, Northern Kentucky, UIC, just about everyone mentioned for future MVC expansion at this point, but if something needs to be voted on for that to happen, a 5-5 split of public/private schools seems like it's unlikely to vote for splitting up the conference. Then again, I only have a vague idea of the MVC internal politics that go on, so maybe I'm way off base.

According to the people on the SIU board Murray is a no-go in the MVC because the MVFC already declined to invite them.
If they are right, I am assuming it was the Dakota schools and WIU that caused it. I can't see much reason for not wanting their basketball program in a supposed basketball-first league.

As a Murray fan I put about as much faith in the SIU board when Murray is mentioned any time as I do in the president to lower gas prices to .25 cents a gallon. Not going to happen.

If you come to the Murray board you’ll see that we are kinda growing leery of the MVC anyway and if the invite doesn’t happen, then I think most of us would be ok with it. While I still personally think the MVC is the best option for us, the SOCON is growing in popularity except we are out of the geographic range for that. All I know with 100% confidence is that we cannot stay in the OVC since it’s sinking faster than the titanic.

[IllinoisState]

I don't know how voting went down for Murray State to the MVFC...or even if that voting has taken place (is that why the MVC hasn't extended any formal invitation to them yet?). I would think if anyone wouldn't want Murray State in the MVFC, it'd be the western teams who would have to play NDSU and SDSU every year...although that would be UNI and MSU, and idk how that decision gels with allowing/inviting Murray St. to the MVC.

As for a Private/Public split, idk that that's likely to happen any time soon, mostly because there's not really a good place for the private schools to go. Bradley, Belmont, Drake, Evansville, and Valpo...that's not enough for a conference on their own without bringing in more schools (Bellarmine?...Lipscomb?). Would the A10 look into adding a couple of the more successful ones? Do the rest go (back, in some cases) to the Horizon League? Not really many good options for them beyond where they're at currently.

The public schools have options in terms of who to tie themselves to...Dakota schools...Murray State, Northern Kentucky, UIC, just about everyone mentioned for future MVC expansion at this point, but if something needs to be voted on for that to happen, a 5-5 split of public/private schools seems like it's unlikely to vote for splitting up the conference. Then again, I only have a vague idea of the MVC internal politics that go on, so maybe I'm way off base.

According to the people on the SIU board Murray is a no-go in the MVC because the MVFC already declined to invite them.
If they are right, I am assuming it was the Dakota schools and WIU that caused it. I can't see much reason for not wanting their basketball program in a supposed basketball-first league.

As a Murray fan I put about as much faith in the SIU board when Murray is mentioned any time as I do in the president to lower gas prices to .25 cents a gallon. Not going to happen.

If you come to the Murray board you’ll see that we are kinda growing leery of the MVC anyway and if the invite doesn’t happen, then I think most of us would be ok with it. While I still personally think the MVC is the best option for us, the SOCON is growing in popularity except we are out of the geographic range for that. All I know with 100% confidence is that we cannot stay in the OVC since it’s sinking faster than the titanic.

To me the expansion thread on the SIU board reads like a bunch of sour grapes because you compete for the same students and there is nothing of substance in relation to Murray State not being voted in.

Also, can anyone provide a reliable source to Murray State being rejected from the MVFC?

[Murraygrad05]

To me the expansion thread on the SIU board reads like a bunch of sour grapes because you compete for the same students and there is nothing of substance in relation to Murray State not being voted in.

Also, can anyone provide a reliable source to Murray State being rejected from the MVFC?

Very much so. But hey they can thank us for Randy Dunn and the fallout still ongoing with his actions.

We have not seen or heard anything concerning football other than we are already scheduled for the OVC/Southland carnival or whatever they are calling it next season. I'm sure this scheduling was made tentatively though and subject to change if need be. Not really taking that as we are in the OVC next season by any means, but that is all that is out in the open.

[isubird33]

i dont care what you say a breakaway league of football will 100% be more profitable and everyone knows it.

you have the team that wins almost every year. a final four team. another team that was runner up not too long ago. another team coached by petrino. that will be more successful then watching evansville vs bradley on a wednesday night with 3800 fans. but, hey, trick yourself into whatever you want to believe. football has more to market. the mvc final four teams will be all gone after this year. the best game in the mvc will be from two new members. murray vs belmont.

Yeah but no one cares about FCS football. And this is coming from someone who actually goes to FCS games.