Which of these team would you be okay with joining the MVC?

[mvfcfan]

I agree with everyone saying not to believe everything you read on the SIU board. There's a lot of desperate posters there that don't want Murray State for whatever reason.

As for football, no one really does divisions at the FCS level, besides the SWAC. The Big Sky was at 13 a few years ago with North Dakota. I think they were also still at 12 this year and they've never done divisions as far as I'm aware.

The fact of the matter is that the MVC schools did the Summit League schools a favor adding North Dakota to the MVFC. I fully would expect the Summit schools to do the MVC schools a favor in adding Murray St. I'm sure people have forgotten, but when South Dakota was added to the MVFC they were completely terrible.

[mvfcfan]

I removed my vote for UIC too. I've went from being just okay with them, to not wanting them at all. Go 11 with Murray and call it a day. Valpo is in the Chicago market already and people inside of huge cities like Chicago only care about pro sports. Valpo is on the edge of the Chicago metro and people in Indiana will follow them if they start winning again.

[tdawgs87]

I agree with everyone saying not to believe everything you read on the SIU board. There's a lot of desperate posters there that don't want Murray State for whatever reason.

As for football, no one really does divisions at the FCS level, besides the SWAC. The Big Sky was at 13 a few years ago with North Dakota. I think they were also still at 12 this year and they've never done divisions as far as I'm aware.

The fact of the matter is that the MVC schools did the Summit League schools a favor adding North Dakota to the MVFC. I fully would expect the Summit schools to do the MVC schools a favor in adding Murray St. I'm sure people have forgotten, but when South Dakota was added to the MVFC they were completely terrible.

As an SIU fan I would love to see Murray State added that would give us an instant rivalry that would be great for both schools. Really don’t understand how this isn’t a slam dunk add. The Valley is a basketball league first and foremost Murray is the best possible add to solidify that . I hope we hear good news on this soon .

[RacerJoeD]

I agree on all counts. Murray State vs SIU is already pretty heated, make it twice a year home and home can only be good for both programs. I think the same can be said about Evansville as well. Those two teams have played some barn burners recently. I have wanted to get that same thing going with ISUb since Bill Hodges was an assistant at Murray back in the ‘90’s.

[Adunk33]

I was just thinking about how this expansion would impact Arch Madness and what it could look like 12 vs 14.

If you go to 14, you could keep the tournament within 4 days but Thursday would be a marathon day of basketball with 6 games needing to be played and the 1 and 2 seeds still getting a bye to Friday. Then once you get to Friday its back to 4 games, two Saturday, and the championship Sunday.

12 would be perfect. You get 4 games Thursday with the top 4 seeds getting Byes to Friday. Four Thursday, four Friday, two Saturday, and the Championship Sunday. Puts a lot more value on the Thursday games without going overboard with the 6 games. If you tried to get 6 in one day, first tip probably has to be at 9 a.m. at the latest and last would probably tip at 9 p.m. at the earliest. I certainly wouldn't want to be one of those conferences where not every team gets to play in the conf tournament or some games are played on campuses before going to a neutral site. That screams "small time."

Do what makes sense. Go with 12. UIC and Murray State. UMKC and UTA need to bring more than "look at the market we're in" to the table.

[BCPanther]

I was just thinking about how this expansion would impact Arch Madness and what it could look like 12 vs 14.

If you go to 14, you could keep the tournament within 4 days but Thursday would be a marathon day of basketball with 6 games needing to be played and the 1 and 2 seeds still getting a bye to Friday. Then once you get to Friday its back to 4 games, two Saturday, and the championship Sunday.

12 would be perfect. You get 4 games Thursday with the top 4 seeds getting Byes to Friday. Four Thursday, four Friday, two Saturday, and the Championship Sunday. Puts a lot more value on the Thursday games without going overboard with the 6 games. If you tried to get 6 in one day, first tip probably has to be at 9 a.m. at the latest and last would probably tip at 9 p.m. at the earliest. I certainly wouldn't want to be one of those conferences where not every team gets to play in the conf tournament or some games are played on campuses before going to a neutral site. That screams "small time."

Do what makes sense. Go with 12. UIC and Murray State. UMKC and UTA need to bring more than "look at the market we're in" to the table.

With 14, the tournament starts on Wednesday Night.

11 vs 14
12 vs 13

8 vs 9
5 vs 12/13
7 vs 10
6 vs 11/14

1 vs 8/9
4 vs 5/12/13
2 vs 7/10
3 vs 6/11/14

Semifinals Saturday, Championship Sunday

[Adunk33]

I was just thinking about how this expansion would impact Arch Madness and what it could look like 12 vs 14.

If you go to 14, you could keep the tournament within 4 days but Thursday would be a marathon day of basketball with 6 games needing to be played and the 1 and 2 seeds still getting a bye to Friday. Then once you get to Friday its back to 4 games, two Saturday, and the championship Sunday.

12 would be perfect. You get 4 games Thursday with the top 4 seeds getting Byes to Friday. Four Thursday, four Friday, two Saturday, and the Championship Sunday. Puts a lot more value on the Thursday games without going overboard with the 6 games. If you tried to get 6 in one day, first tip probably has to be at 9 a.m. at the latest and last would probably tip at 9 p.m. at the earliest. I certainly wouldn't want to be one of those conferences where not every team gets to play in the conf tournament or some games are played on campuses before going to a neutral site. That screams "small time."

Do what makes sense. Go with 12. UIC and Murray State. UMKC and UTA need to bring more than "look at the market we're in" to the table.

With 14, the tournament starts on Wednesday Night.

11 vs 14
12 vs 13

8 vs 9
5 vs 12/13
7 vs 10
6 vs 11/14

1 vs 8/9
4 vs 5/12/13
2 vs 7/10
3 vs 6/11/14

Semifinals Saturday, Championship Sunday

Thanks for that! Googling, "Tournament Bracket Generator" failed me.

This solidifies my hope of going with 12. Keep the MVC Tournament Thursday, Friday, Saturday Sunday. It'd make Thursday a full day of hoops as well as keeping it on the "weekend."

[E-Villan]

I was just thinking about how this expansion would impact Arch Madness and what it could look like 12 vs 14.

If you go to 14, you could keep the tournament within 4 days but Thursday would be a marathon day of basketball with 6 games needing to be played and the 1 and 2 seeds still getting a bye to Friday. Then once you get to Friday its back to 4 games, two Saturday, and the championship Sunday.

12 would be perfect. You get 4 games Thursday with the top 4 seeds getting Byes to Friday. Four Thursday, four Friday, two Saturday, and the Championship Sunday. Puts a lot more value on the Thursday games without going overboard with the 6 games. If you tried to get 6 in one day, first tip probably has to be at 9 a.m. at the latest and last would probably tip at 9 p.m. at the earliest. I certainly wouldn't want to be one of those conferences where not every team gets to play in the conf tournament or some games are played on campuses before going to a neutral site. That screams "small time."

Do what makes sense. Go with 12. UIC and Murray State. UMKC and UTA need to bring more than "look at the market we're in" to the table.

With 14, the tournament starts on Wednesday Night.

11 vs 14
12 vs 13

8 vs 9
5 vs 12/13
7 vs 10
6 vs 11/14

1 vs 8/9
4 vs 5/12/13
2 vs 7/10
3 vs 6/11/14

Semifinals Saturday, Championship Sunday

Thanks for that! Googling, "Tournament Bracket Generator" failed me.

This solidifies my hope of going with 12. Keep the MVC Tournament Thursday, Friday, Saturday Sunday. It'd make Thursday a full day of hoops as well as keeping it on the "weekend."

Honestly, I would prefer to leave the tournament at 10 teams regardless of how many we add. Do we really want a 13th place MVC team getting hot and repping the league? If you can't get in the top 10, your season should end at the end of the season.

[Adunk33]

Honestly, I would prefer to leave the tournament at 10 teams regardless of how many we add. Do we really want a 13th place MVC team getting hot and repping the league? If you can't get in the top 10, your season should end at the end of the season.

By that logic, why not just have the top 4 or top 2 play for the league's auto bid?

[nodak651]

football is easily the bigger sport. cherry picking

Nope. FBS football is the bigger sport.

Tell us how the MVFC is more marketable than the MVC when the market determined one to have two linear tv packages with its final on CBS (7th highest rated nationally) and the other to streaming.

Better yet, let’s check what the market dictated for media rights in each league’s IRS forms:

Missouri Valley Conference - $2,367,000
Missouri Valley Football Conference - $70,000

We could throw in NDSU’s $497,990, but given the 2nd highest MVFC member is $15,756, that caps out the cumulative total under $660k.

2020 article:

NDSU also drew significantly more money than anyone else in the 10-team league from media rights ($497,999)

South Dakota State, which raised more than $5 million in revenue in fiscal year 2019, the second-most in the league, drew $15,756 from media

And if you want to add the Summit League’s $336,920 — you’re still under $1 million when combining MVFC media rights + Summit League media rights + individual MVFC media rights.

Can you cite the article you referenced? Because it's wrong. UND reported $578,222 in media rights for 2020 and $280,000 for 2019.

Also if the MVFC and Summit ever did discuss merging, UND could play some of their basketball games at the Ralph, which although is a hockey venue, it would still be the best arena in the conference. NDSU has new areana, USD has a new arena, and SDSU just secured funding for a complete renovation of their arena. With St. Thomas now in the mix, DU, and Oral Roberts who just announced a brand new 15 million dollar practice facility, it's not like there isn't potential for a Summit conference that includes all MVFC schools.
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As for the worst teams in the Summit, the MVC is currently considering adding them. lol. The MVC is trending towards down and it has the same strategy as the Horizon League and Conference USA - how did it work out for those conferences? Let the MVC schools join the Summit with Murray State, and MVC can have UMKC. Which is the better conference? The Summit and MVFC could then be marketed and packed for TV together, which could potentially help when it comes to TV and revenue generation for football. The new Summit commissioner was able to get a deal done with CBSSN for hockey. He should easily be able to do the same for football and basketball, no?

Also, is the Summit tourney out drawing Arch Madness yet? It happens to be closer to UNI than St. Louis as well... just saying.