MVC going to 12 with UIC and UTA?

[RacerJoeD]

Thats where a WAC move would work better. Football gets to be the centerpiece, other sports get a conference with similar programs.

[BCPanther]

There's a lot of NDSU people that are starting to realize that tripling everybody else in football spending to win titles that no one cares about while hurting other programs was a massive mistake.

Say what you want about the schools with football in our league but they certainly haven't done that.

[VUGrad1314]

Thats where a WAC move would work better. Football gets to be the centerpiece, other sports get a conference with similar programs.

I mean it doesn't seem like a bad landing spot but then again for a school with FBS ambitions CUSA wouldn't be bad either. NDSU could win that league in football right now and have a direct in to FBS no speculation and hope for the WAC to move up while still being in a league with some basketball punch that should be as good or better than the Summit League. I feel like NDSU is waiting for the home run scenario in order to do anything which is a sure recipe for doing nothing in realignment. Nobody outside of the Texas's and Oklahoma's of the world get to move into perfect situations. You just have to decide what your priorities are and make the best decision you can based on that.

There's a lot of NDSU people that are starting to realize that tripling everybody else in football spending to win titles that no one cares about while hurting other programs was a massive mistake.

Say what you want about the schools with football in our league but they certainly haven't done that.

So is not taking a FB only MWC invite while still being able to remain competitive in the Summit League especially if SDSU goes to the MVC so it sounds like they are still in the learning process right now.

[RacerJoeD]

FBS looks like a speculative bubble to me. It works, for a few, as long as the money keeps going up. The reality is that the money goes up forever.

[BCPanther]

Thats where a WAC move would work better. Football gets to be the centerpiece, other sports get a conference with similar programs.

I mean it doesn't seem like a bad landing spot but then again for a school with FBS ambitions CUSA wouldn't be bad either. NDSU could win that league in football right now and have a direct in to FBS no speculation and hope for the WAC to move up while still being in a league with some basketball punch that should be as good or better than the Summit League. I feel like NDSU is waiting for the home run scenario in order to do anything which is a sure recipe for doing nothing in realignment. Nobody outside of the Texas's and Oklahoma's of the world get to move into perfect situations. You just have to decide what your priorities are and make the best decision you can based on that.

There's a lot of NDSU people that are starting to realize that tripling everybody else in football spending to win titles that no one cares about while hurting other programs was a massive mistake.

Say what you want about the schools with football in our league but they certainly haven't done that.

So is not taking a FB only MWC invite while still being able to remain competitive in the Summit League especially if SDSU goes to the MVC so it sounds like they are still in the learning process right now.

It's actually the Mountain West that won't take them as a football only. They're either all in or all out.

[VUGrad1314]

I mean it doesn't seem like a bad landing spot but then again for a school with FBS ambitions CUSA wouldn't be bad either. NDSU could win that league in football right now and have a direct in to FBS no speculation and hope for the WAC to move up while still being in a league with some basketball punch that should be as good or better than the Summit League. I feel like NDSU is waiting for the home run scenario in order to do anything which is a sure recipe for doing nothing in realignment. Nobody outside of the Texas's and Oklahoma's of the world get to move into perfect situations. You just have to decide what your priorities are and make the best decision you can based on that.

There's a lot of NDSU people that are starting to realize that tripling everybody else in football spending to win titles that no one cares about while hurting other programs was a massive mistake.

Say what you want about the schools with football in our league but they certainly haven't done that.

So is not taking a FB only MWC invite while still being able to remain competitive in the Summit League especially if SDSU goes to the MVC so it sounds like they are still in the learning process right now.

It's actually the Mountain West that won't take them as a football only. They're either all in or all out.

Wow then I'm shocked it hasn't happened yet. At a football school like NDSU where football pays the bills who gives a rip about the other sports as long as football is successful in its new home? I'm surprised the MWC is willing to tank its metrics in basketball like that when they could easily get St Mary's or Wichita State (with Gonzaga stepping into Hawaii's Olympic sports place) and make their league much better all around.

[DUBulldog]

From yesterday’s bustingbrackets.com:

“All rumors and reports indicate that Murray State is the front runner and likely to join the Valley. Most observers believe the Valley would prefer an even number of programs for basketball, so a second team would be likely to be a part of the conference in 2022.”

Hey SIU; you can keep running, but you’re not gonna hide from the Racers much longer. Can’t wait for Carbondale to replace Martin as our 2nd home court. See ya real soon Salukis.

LOL, using click bait central bustingbrackets.com as a source.

The quote came from Father Harry so the LOL isn’t on MTR.

https://twitter.com/fatherharry1/status ... 50148?s=21

Father Harry seems like a good guy, but I'm not sure I'd consider him a reliable source. Some of the things he's written in the past have been wildly inaccurate....and I'm talking about from a fact standpoint, not talking about any speculation he's done in the past.

[DUBulldog]

When does anybody think an announcement will be made?

At this point, it's virtually 100% that the MVC will expand, the question is when it becomes official.

[IllinoisState]

When does anybody think an announcement will be made?

At this point, it's virtually 100% that the MVC will expand, the question is when it becomes official.

Mid to late January.

[BCPanther]

When does anybody think an announcement will be made?

At this point, it's virtually 100% that the MVC will expand, the question is when it becomes official.

You're exactly right about Father Harry. He's a super guy but his word is far from the gospel (pun kind of intentional).

The next president's council meeting is the week of the 17th, so I'd imagine we'd hear at that point. Last contact that I had with people that would know say it's going to be Arlington and UIC for sure and that they'll admit Murray as soon as there is a concrete plan for football (the MVFC could be an option starting with the 2024 season and assuming that there is no division setup and travel is not a consideration in league scheduling). They're okay with being at 13 for a while if need be though Kansas City is still the hope long term.