MVC all sports award

[carrcar]

I think the only sports in which WSU chooses not to compete are swimming and diving and mens and womens soccer which seem to be populated with teams not from the Valley. How many programs have swimming and diving?

If a school doesn't field a football team, it does have a real athletic department.

[iSASO]

I think the only sports in which WSU chooses not to compete are swimming and diving and mens and womens soccer which seem to be populated with teams not from the Valley. How many programs have swimming and diving?

If a school doesn't field a football team, it does have a real athletic department.

Thanks for agreeing with Shocker Nation Captain Obvious, and I'm sure Doug Elgin believes WSU has a real athletic department too as he presents all those championship trophies to Shocker coaches year in and year out.

[Ricardo del Rio]

I'd be interested to see a breakdown of which sports are offered by each athletic program.

Google and Excel are your friends.

[valleychamp]

And what exactly are the expenses for wsu volleyball?

What does that matter? Every dollar of revenue volleyball generates is one less dollar that men's basketball has to generate to cover for the volleyball program.

What if WSU's volleyball program only generated $10,000 in revenue instead of somewhere around $200,000?
What if WSU's volleyball program generated $1,000,000 in revenue instead of somewhere around $200,000?
What if WSU's baseball program lost one million dollars per year instead of breaking even frequently?

What does it mean? It means everything. You were the one that made statements about the importance of wsu volleyball towards the athletic budget at wsu.

But your own statement that "every dollar that volleyball makes is one less dollar that basketball has to cover", pretty much says it all right there. If you just dropped volleyball completely, basketball wouldn't have to "cover" anything and you would be left with more money.

[blueblood]

Blueblood, irrelevant happens when you don't charge admission. Maybe Creighton is charging admission to soccer now, and that's great, but I don't believe that was the case when we discussed it back then. You left that little nugget out of your comment today. How convenient.

Are you gents telling me that a winning program doesn't get more money donated to it than a losing program?

Are you further telling me that every penny brought into any given program via attendance or donations doesn't take some financial pressure off of the cash cow program(s)?

Do you think there is a correlation between the fact that WSU's athletic department runs in the black and the fact that WSU wins the All Sports trophy quite frequently?

I realize that, for the sake of your own pride, you are forced to answer 'No' to each of the above questions. And that's OK, we have grown accustom to it and will proceed with that in mind.

When was it that Creighton soccer games were free? It cost 4.50 to watch a soccer game before Morrison Stadium was even built and they played 20 miles off campus at Tranquility Fields. Its off of the top of my head in the 7 buck range now for the cheapest seats. Students pay a fee to get into all sporting events. There are sky boxes now. Are those free too? What the hell are you even talking about? Its not free to get into a Creighton soccer game now and never has been to my knowledge. The point is you mocked the high numbers attending Creighton soccer games(which is in the thousands) in prior threads as irrelevent. Yet now 20 parents watching their kids playing golf is a big deal. You said no one cares about soccer but now they do about tennis and golf? Thats ISASO logic.

[UNI]

I think the All-Sports trophy is a great thing, and I would LOVE if UNI would bring it home. The lower-tier sports "don't matter" in terms of revenue, but they matter for this award. Believe it or not, I actually agree with Baller (what is this world coming to) when he says that it shows who has the best overall sports program. For this year, it looks as though it is WSU.

I do have a few questions though...does this just go off of conference rankings? Do you get extra points for championships? Is last year's track season included in this year's rankings??

I know that if UNI won this award we would be VERY proud to do so. We were proud when we won men's and women's conference titles in basketball, the football conference titles, volleyball titles, and everything else. Why not be proud for winning this award that puts it all together?

[2livewu]

There are no bonus points for championships, but maybe there should be. One could argue that they should somehow assign more weight to sports where there is full participation as one can easily see that finishing 9th in men's basketball is far more difficult than adding a swimming and diving team and coming in last at 6th, and yet your average just dropped. Also, if Eastern Illinois finishes 2nd (yes I just laughed) do the Bears get 2nd place points for coming in 3rd, or do they get 3rd place points?

[MoValley John]

Indiana State got no bump from their basketball success, simply a 3rd place finish. That hardly defines their season. But regarding the All Sports Trophy, all they get for their men's basketball season is a 3. I don't follow any other sports, but I'm sure it happens all the time where a team just can't quite get over the hump, yet wins the Valley tourney and may even advance a round or two in the NCAA's. For them, they get a 3. Whoop do!!!! Sports like Track and Field and Cross Country also skew figures. This is a dumb award, yet I understand why the school that wins it, flaunts it.

In reality, the All Sports Trophy is a big Apples and Oranges award. People that like to argue apples and oranges LOVE the All Sports Trophy.

That is all I have, enjoy the debate.

[BirdmanBB]

We have won the all sports trophy a few times over the last so many years. With complete disregard to other athletics program at ISU, I would trade those trophies for NCAABB tourney births or maybe even deep MVFC playoff runs.

It's just a nice thing for an athletic director to put on their resume.

[MoValley John]

I don't think that there are any Valley programs running in the black. On paper, I'm sure there are one or two, but until an athletic program makes money without any state aid, direct or indirect institutional support and zero student fees, they really aren't in the black. Accounting wise, sure, some Valley programs may say they run in the black, but that is government accounting and is exactly why government is running up debt faster that they can keep track.