Elgin: Play difficult schedules

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Re: Elgin: Play difficult schedules

Postby BirdmanBB » October 27th, 2011, 12:36 pm

MVCfans wrote:If you haven't read it yet, on The MVC Report (http://www.mvcfans.com) I offered an alternative idea to the financial incentives discussed by Elgin - just give the earmarked money to the best schools to buy better games or incentivize home-home or neutral sites games with BCS teams. Set aside 5-10% of the NCAA payout each year and make an investment in upgrading schedules which should pay off in the long run.


Couldn't disagree more with your idea (no offense). In a perfect world, yes, if the ultimate goal is to get more NCAA bids then this could work. As of right now, I think incentives will be given to teams who schedule tough MTE's. I think this is good enough.

In your scenario, you want to give money to help get better teams in our conference get better games. So this year CU and WSU would get extra cash to help this out. If they are favored again next season, the following and so on, they would continue to get extra cash. This is on a way smaller (but still important) level the same problem that teams in the Big 12 are having with the longhorn network. It would give said teams an unfair recruiting advantage and boost to their own school over other valley schools in the long run mostly keeping those teams at the top and others at the bottom. In this scenario, popular recruits to the valley would gravitate towards the top teams because of the visibility associated with those tournaments or better games they are putting together. Those top individual schools would start earning more money for themselves over the long run at the expense of the rest of the conference.

This extra cash should be earned, not awarded. You never know when a good team from the middle could have actually used that money to help them find that extra game to get them over the top for an at-large bid as well. After all, preseason predictions in the valley have never been accurate enough to do this.

I think the cash benefits for scheduling top MTE's the way it is would work much better.

As I pointed out before, 9 of the 10 teams already have MTE's because Elgin got committments from them to do so before scheduling this season. He had the discussion at their meetings which they agreed to and now he is just mandating it because its looking like a good plan due to the fact that 9-10 teams do have good MTE's. To say this is something teams are already doing would be wrong since this is the first year that they are trying to do this and looks like successfully so.

Finally, to give teams that have "realistic" at-large chances extra money screams to all 8 other teams why they should even bother scheduling tough opponents since they don't have a "realistic" shot. Might as well play a ton of cupcakes and try to duke it out in st. louis for a bid. Again, why should they do all the work to help the conference earn extra cash/bids so two teams could reap the benefits.

No thanks. gotta say no on this idea.
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Re: Elgin: Play difficult schedules

Postby MVCfans » October 27th, 2011, 12:47 pm

If two MVC teams were to get conference aid to improve scheduling, everyone ultimately benefits by the RPI boost for that year and by the possibility of increased NCAA payouts over time if more teams make the NCAA tournament. There is no reason for the other eight to do anything different with the scheduling.

I'm not saying my idea is without flaws, but I don't see how a financial incentive after the fact (as proposed) does anything to actually improve our chances of additional NCAA berths, It would just be an extra $10k per team to stash away somewhere.
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Re: Elgin: Play difficult schedules

Postby BirdmanBB » October 27th, 2011, 12:55 pm

The incentive after the fact is for continuing to schedule these MTE's which can and will help our conference earn extra bids. Schools probably wouldn't have agreed to this mandate unless there was some sort of benefit. I don't know the history of how many teams from the valley are participating in these events in years past, but I am guessing it is not as many as 9 teams. Having all schools get into these MTE's will help.

I agree in the short run that the RPI boost for two schools would benefit all schools, but in the long run many teams would get burned.
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Re: Elgin: Play difficult schedules

Postby SubGod22 » October 27th, 2011, 1:19 pm

It's sad that the conference has had to resort to bribery to get teams to schedule up at all...
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Re: Elgin: Play difficult schedules

Postby BirdmanBB » October 27th, 2011, 2:07 pm

I wouldn't say bribary, but schools do need and want the cash. For example, the mandated 150 RPI rule was taken away because schools thought they needed the opportunity to get more home games in order to earn more money. The 150 RPI rule was hurting teams bottom lines. I would think some of our higher attendance schools were opposed to this. Why take a guarantee or a 2 for 1 when you can earn a lot more money buying a home game.

When schools have athletic programs that are trying to stay afloat and bball is your big money winner, you don't really have a choice.
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Re: Elgin: Play difficult schedules

Postby bigdawg » October 27th, 2011, 2:27 pm

It's funny to me that it is the Redbird fan who opposes rewarding the best teams and those who play difficult schedules. I say take it a step further and let a team keep 50% of their NCAA units and let those who have never contributed to the league but keep sponging off of those who earn the money fend for themselves.
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Re: Elgin: Play difficult schedules

Postby 2livewu » October 27th, 2011, 3:22 pm

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2livewu wrote:Reference please? What tournaments were counted and in what seasons?


Try google.

Gone forever was the 6-year-old "two-in-four" rule that limited schools to two appearances per quadrennial in so-called "exempt" tournaments, which allowed up to four contests to count as a single regular-season game against a maximum of 28. In its place was the new concept of "multi-team events" (or MTE for short), which have much looser restrictions; schools can't play in the same multi-team event twice over a four-year period, but any school may now participate in a MTE every season if it so chooses.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/s ... id=2959948


That was in 2006, correct? Not exactly yesterday. WSU has been in these tournaments for 7 straight seasons and more often than not there was a top 10 school in attendance, not just a top 50. Previous to this stretch it would appear WSU played as often as rules allowed. Without the mandate from Elgin, most of the other schools will sit back and play it safe, only scheduling tough when they think they'll be strong.
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Re: Elgin: Play difficult schedules

Postby 2livewu » October 27th, 2011, 3:25 pm

bigdawg wrote:It's funny to me that it is the Redbird fan who opposes rewarding the best teams and those who play difficult schedules. I say take it a step further and let a team keep 50% of their NCAA units and let those who have never contributed to the league but keep sponging off of those who earn the money fend for themselves.



Do you know what the division is today? Is it an even split amongst all teams, or does the one team get an extra bonus of some kind?
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Re: Elgin: Play difficult schedules

Postby SubGod22 » October 27th, 2011, 3:58 pm

2livewu wrote:
bigdawg wrote:It's funny to me that it is the Redbird fan who opposes rewarding the best teams and those who play difficult schedules. I say take it a step further and let a team keep 50% of their NCAA units and let those who have never contributed to the league but keep sponging off of those who earn the money fend for themselves.



Do you know what the division is today? Is it an even split amongst all teams, or does the one team get an extra bonus of some kind?
Each unit is split 11 ways with the team that played getting two units and the others each getting one.
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Re: Elgin: Play difficult schedules

Postby jwa123 » October 27th, 2011, 4:21 pm

Hey BigDawg,

Don't for a moment think ISUr fans are happy with the Jank scheduling of the past few seasons. Attendance is down at RA in part because of the unending schedule of cupcakes coming to town. I for one nearly dropped my season tickets over the upcoming season schedule and would have but for the new athletic director telling me that he was also going to be involved with scheduling starting next season. Trust me, our new AD has had his ears blistered over this scheduling issue.

If it doesn't change, I will certainly drop my season tickets that I have had for many seasons and I won't be the only one who does so.
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