How Many New Coaches Will We have in the MVC Next Year?

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Re: How Many New Coaches Will We have in the MVC Next Year?

Postby uniftw » February 28th, 2012, 11:21 am

Honestly, I hope the Valley holds on to Gregg, Jake, and even Mac for a very long time....I also see Geno being someone that could do very well at BU long term.

The longer coaches like that are in the Valley, the better
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Re: How Many New Coaches Will We have in the MVC Next Year?

Postby Red » February 28th, 2012, 11:31 am

I thought Jankovich was going to be on the hot seat, but this year was an improvement as we can see better days ahead. It would be nice to see Marshall and Jacobsen stay a long time but the reality is that one or both will probably leave sooner than later.
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Re: How Many New Coaches Will We have in the MVC Next Year?

Postby CaseyGarrisonforPrez » February 28th, 2012, 12:29 pm

Gregg will definitely have a tough decision to make. I have a close family friend who has a business relationship with a certain CBS announcer who works primarily football but does some basketball and this person told him that it would be "just like the decision that Frank Martin had to make last year." This is referencing the opening at Miami. Will the lure of going home and being the big shot be enough? This guy did not know. Frank ended up staying at K-State so we shall see and South Carolina is not a great job but it would be nice to make big money, be in a great conference like the SEC, and get to walk around amongst people that doubted you and you are the biggest coach in that state. Apparently WSU fans will not have to worry about Illinois because Shaka Smart will take it. This has been a done deal for a bit. The last thing that my friend told me was that the word he had heard from his connections is that Bruce Weber knows that an offer will come from SIUC and he is pondering that over the last week of the Big Ten regular season. He might prefer to sit back a couple of years and reenergize before grinding it out as a coach again.

I know absolutely nothing about Jacobson but he was close to taking Texas A&M last year so I think he would jump at Minnesota. The dire financial realities of UNI have necessitated it. Russell Springman would be a name to watch at Valley schools with an opening. He has been a longtime assistant at Texas under Rick Barnes and is ready for the big time. He was my favorite for the MSU job last spring after it became apparent that we would not actually pursue Bruce Pearl. The last little nugget that I had heard about three weeks ago which I am still waivering about whether or not to put stock into it is that UMKC will fire Matt Brown and that Tim Jankovich was inquiring about it through back channels. This sort of implies that he would be fired by ISURed or he might make a move just before the seat got warm. He is a K-Stater but that job at UMKC is not a good one. I don't think that will happen in the end, Jank should be back.

I would be negligent if I did not touch the supposed "loyalty" issue that has been brought up in this thread and in the past as well. You know what I mean this "Ben Jacobson is loyal he is not money hungry like that Keno Davis" and so on. Right. Just to flip the question, how loyal do you think UNI would be to Ben if he went 10-20 the next 3 years? How do you think that would play out? Coaches have to look out for themselves and their families. It is a cutthroat business. Look at Lowery. He was loyal to SIUC. Could have left for countless BCS jobs but he stayed. Guess how his loyalty will be rewarded this spring? Mario will fire him. For his loyalty he has been made a scapegoat and will get run out of C'Dale. Yet had he taken the DePaul job the SIUC people would have hated him and called him a traitor. Well who is the traitor now? I'm off the soapbox now.
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Re: How Many New Coaches Will We have in the MVC Next Year?

Postby Aargh » February 28th, 2012, 12:41 pm

I think there's a good possibility we could see no coaching changes this year.

I don't think Lowery's contract is up yet, there were no defections (yet), he managed to keep SIU out of the cellar, I think there's still time on his contract, he's got some players, and there's still some time on his contract.

I don't see Jacobsen going anywhere after a down year. His value will be higher down the road and he doesn't look like a job-hopper.

Marshall may have to decide if he can do as well as SC as he can do at WSU. There's a bit of a reload at WSU next year, but Marshall has a stockpile of ammo and clips all stacked up and waiting to be loaded up. SC is a rebuild. It's home, but it's a rebuild and it may be difficult to ever get that program to the level he has WSU this year.

Phelps did a heck of a job this year considering the adversity he faced. He's starting to "get it". I'm not in tune with the DU fanbase. I know they want something better than a perennial mid-level finish (the Jim Les curse), but I think Phelps can get that for them.

I think Jankovich is trying to leave, but can't get the on-court success he needs in order to move on.
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Re: How Many New Coaches Will We have in the MVC Next Year?

Postby Red » February 28th, 2012, 1:05 pm

Aargh wrote:I think Jankovich is trying to leave, but can't get the on-court success he needs in order to move on.

I don't think there's any doubt this is accurate.
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Re: How Many New Coaches Will We have in the MVC Next Year?

Postby Ace Dad » February 28th, 2012, 1:33 pm

CaseyGarrisonforPrez wrote:Gregg will definitely have a tough decision to make. I have a close family friend who has a business relationship with a certain CBS announcer who works primarily football but does some basketball and this person told him that it would be "just like the decision that Frank Martin had to make last year." This is referencing the opening at Miami. Will the lure of going home and being the big shot be enough? This guy did not know. Frank ended up staying at K-State so we shall see and South Carolina is not a great job but it would be nice to make big money, be in a great conference like the SEC, and get to walk around amongst people that doubted you and you are the biggest coach in that state. Apparently WSU fans will not have to worry about Illinois because Shaka Smart will take it. This has been a done deal for a bit. The last thing that my friend told me was that the word he had heard from his connections is that Bruce Weber knows that an offer will come from SIUC and he is pondering that over the last week of the Big Ten regular season. He might prefer to sit back a couple of years and reenergize before grinding it out as a coach again.

I know absolutely nothing about Jacobson but he was close to taking Texas A&M last year so I think he would jump at Minnesota. The dire financial realities of UNI have necessitated it. Russell Springman would be a name to watch at Valley schools with an opening. He has been a longtime assistant at Texas under Rick Barnes and is ready for the big time. He was my favorite for the MSU job last spring after it became apparent that we would not actually pursue Bruce Pearl. The last little nugget that I had heard about three weeks ago which I am still waivering about whether or not to put stock into it is that UMKC will fire Matt Brown and that Tim Jankovich was inquiring about it through back channels. This sort of implies that he would be fired by ISURed or he might make a move just before the seat got warm. He is a K-Stater but that job at UMKC is not a good one. I don't think that will happen in the end, Jank should be back.

I would be negligent if I did not touch the supposed "loyalty" issue that has been brought up in this thread and in the past as well. You know what I mean this "Ben Jacobson is loyal he is not money hungry like that Keno Davis" and so on. Right. Just to flip the question, how loyal do you think UNI would be to Ben if he went 10-20 the next 3 years? How do you think that would play out? Coaches have to look out for themselves and their families. It is a cutthroat business. Look at Lowery. He was loyal to SIUC. Could have left for countless BCS jobs but he stayed. Guess how his loyalty will be rewarded this spring? Mario will fire him. For his loyalty he has been made a scapegoat and will get run out of C'Dale. Yet had he taken the DePaul job the SIUC people would have hated him and called him a traitor. Well who is the traitor now? I'm off the soapbox now.



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Re: How Many New Coaches Will We have in the MVC Next Year?

Postby iSASO » February 28th, 2012, 1:41 pm

CaseyGarrisonforPrez wrote:Gregg will definitely have a tough decision to make. I have a close family friend who has a business relationship with a certain CBS announcer who works primarily football but does some basketball and this person told him that it would be "just like the decision that Frank Martin had to make last year." This is referencing the opening at Miami. Will the lure of going home and being the big shot be enough? This guy did not know. Frank ended up staying at K-State...


From what I understood, that is not accurate about Frank Martin. Martin supposedly contacted Miami through back channels and then publicly talked about the job, appearing to be begging to be interviewed and offered the job. He didn't have to make a choice, Miami basically made it for him. Frank just wanted to be courted.
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Re: How Many New Coaches Will We have in the MVC Next Year?

Postby TylerDurden » February 28th, 2012, 2:26 pm

uniftw wrote:
DoubleJayAlum wrote:How is that so different from other coaches? Turgeon came back after his Sweet 16, only to leave a year later. Altman, kept coming back year after year (granted, he didn't have any sweet 16's, but did have plently of job offers).

The only two recent coaches that jumped as soon as they possible could were Keno Davis and Cuonzo Martin.

Jacobson didn't leave the year after his S16 either....I can't see him leaving after this year either given what UNI has coming back. If he doesn't leave in the next 2/3 years he will be at UNI for a very long time. I'm not saying it won't/can't happen, but he has turned down jobs that have offered over a million dollars. He seems very very very comfortable here.


If UNI has Jake as long as CU had Altman (16 years) we will be very happy and in a very good position.



Keno and Cuonzo also seem to have the money first/loyalty second mentality. Coaches like Jake, Altman, maybe even Marshall seem to have it the other way.


I know for a fact that money is the No. 1 motivator for at least one of those guys. But let's not get carried away with the loyalty stuff anyway. Coaches will jump to a "better" job, or at least a higher paying job, when they have a chance. And by chance, I don't mean their agents putting their names in the media for turning down jobs.

They all determine what a better job is, but let's not act like our guy is the one who is different.
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Re: How Many New Coaches Will We have in the MVC Next Year?

Postby unipanther99 » February 28th, 2012, 2:33 pm

With Jacobson's long term contract in place, I think UNI's financial issues would only serve to help keep him at UNI, not drive him away. Like SIU, UNI would be hard pressed to buy him out if the program went down the crapper.
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Re: How Many New Coaches Will We have in the MVC Next Year?

Postby DoubleJayAlum » February 28th, 2012, 2:36 pm

unipanther99 wrote:With Jacobson's long term contract in place, I think UNI's financial issues would only serve to help keep him at UNI, not drive him away. Like SIU, UNI would be hard pressed to buy him out if the program went down the crapper.

Just to be clear, when I brought the financial situation up, it wasn't to imply that they couldn't pay him, but rather that future raises may not be available. Likewise, it makes pay raises for assistants difficult, could have an impact on recruiting budget, etc. all of which could have an impact on the ability to compete at a high level over time.
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