Creighton to A-10?

[squirrel]

Interesting read. Gets you thinking. Lot of stuff I agree with and disagree with, but the guy did his homework.

FWIW, Milwaukee has begun the discussion of starting football.

[beatingrillz]

If the MWC/CUSA or MAC are looking for basketball teams only I think MSU and ISU bring potentially more to the table than WSU currently. The big reason is FBS football. Those conferences might allow us to move football up when it is ready.

The best thing WSU could probably do for themselves right now is bring back and develop football given their geographic location.

Unless UNI, SIU, and InSU are coming along for the ride, I don't see why those three would continue to allow MSU and IlSU to play in the MVFC if they bolted the MVC, especially if the Dakota schools would be likely replacements. I would expect the rest of the MVFC membership would follow our lead --- especially if some of them were hoping to be considered replacements for full MVC membership. I don't see this as an option for the Bears and Redbirds unless you are ready to make the jump to FBS or you are willing to be FCS Independents (or join some lesser conference that would allow you to play for a couple of years--- I don't see that happening).

This is a nightmare scenario.

Because other league teams aren't going to pay the buyout for ISUr or MSU. The MVFC is in no way connected to the MVC to imply that the MVFC could do anything to a team that left the MVC without buying them out.

[havoc]

a UW-M fan wrote a lengthy piece on how he sees it possibly working out, interesting read with many scenarios

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/cont ... -a10-moves

So going off what this guy says, what is everyone's opinion of what the MVC should do if Creighton, or any other member, leaves and these are the only options? Add either Milwaukee, Wright State, or Valpo to bring the total back to 10 teams, add all 3 to bring the total up to 12, or add neither Milawukee, Wright State, or Valpo and stick with 9?

[BirdmanBB]

I would start off with one school and go from there. Get the best school we can. If there are others out there that would be quality then I would consider going to 12.

[Haha]

Valpo: not eligible due to playing in a high school gym....next!

Wright State: Ask yourself this, would you want UN-Omaha? cause that is what Wright State is in relationship to the city of Dayton and University of Dayton...next!

Milwaukee: Best of the three options by far, would take them of the three but would also be very comfortable staying at 9.

I also think ISUr has basically said they are on a long road to FBS. MSU fans talk about it but unlike ISUr I haven't heard talk from their administration about looking to advance up (I could be wrong, just stating my knowledge of the situation). So the Valley should recognize that eventually ISUr will be moving on. I believe that the other football schools in the Valley are all content with FCS.

NDSU would be ok but they eventually want FBS I believe and they are practically Canadian. It would be closer for UE to travel to Dallas for instance than Fargo. Crap it's up there, didn't realize till I looked on a map.

[Haha]

I would start off with one school and go from there. Get the best school we can. If there are others out there that would be quality then I would consider going to 12.

12 makes no sense, there simply isn't 3 schools the Valley could add that bring value. I can't think of one school they could add to bring value but if CU bolts then adding 1 could be tolerated.

[Aargh]

Those of you thinking FCS schools are ready to make a move to FBS, you need to take a look at the financial commitment to do that. That is an incredibly expensive move and more or less requires a stadium that will hold 40,000 at the absolute minimum - 50,000 is about what's required to have a realistic chance at breaking even on FB. The additional scholatships at the FBS level require dding facilities and sports for women.

If you can share league money from BCS bowls, you get huge, vast sums of money thrown at you. The lower-level FBS bowls are mostly "break-even" bowls. It costs about as much to go there as the team gets from playing in the game.

[BirdmanBB]

Probably a lot less than 40-50K seat stadium to move to FBS. More like 15K to get in.

[squirrel]

Those stadium estimates are high. The NCAA itself suggests something in the neighborhood of 15-20K attendance as a minimum for sustainability.

However, Villanova has examined the move extensively on at least 2 separate occasions during the last 10 years.

The real issue is the money involved...if you commit to making the move, you are committing to a loss tens of millions of dollars up front and more than likely decades to make it pay off.

For Villanova, their feasibility study reflected a $30 million commitment and 15 years to pay the move off.

[pafan]

I come to many of the same conclusions as the fellow at BrewCity. The MVC would end up poaching from the Horizon League if the MVC were to lose a member or two to the A-10. Milwaukee is an obvious place to start. If the goal were to get to 12, then choose two of Loyola/Valparaiso/Illinois-Chicago.

The problem with Wright State in the MVC might be a geography problem because they would lack a travel partner for the "olympic" sports which are organized that way.

If the MVC plucked Milwaukee, the Horizon would be down to eight teams. If the MVC took three from the Horizon, the latter would probably cease to exist having only six far-flung members. The 6-member Horizon and the 10-member Summit Leagues might end up merging (under the name "MCC," perhaps )