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Re: All-Time MVC Elite MBB Teams

Postby AngryWheat=FTW= » August 13th, 2013, 6:53 pm

Oh wait, Drake had a monster year in the Valley didn't they? OMG I forgot about SIU. Yes, SIU had 2 or 3 really really good teams in the modern era.
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Re: All-Time MVC Elite MBB Teams

Postby AngryWheat=FTW= » August 13th, 2013, 6:56 pm

All-time oops! Well, I covered the modern era, some older folks can take those teams and compare them to many decades ago.
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Re: All-Time MVC Elite MBB Teams

Postby Wufan » August 13th, 2013, 6:56 pm

AngryWheat=FTW= wrote:In the modern era there has been some pretty elite MVC teams. UNI had a great one, MSU had a great one a long time ago, umm.. of course Creighton has had some pretty elite teams, and definitely WSU. So in the modern era it has been WSU, Creighton, UNI, and MSU. Am I missing anyone?


I wouldn't call any of those elite. Only WSU to the final four is comparable. Some talented teams to be proud of, but not elite.
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Re: All-Time MVC Elite MBB Teams

Postby AngryWheat=FTW= » August 13th, 2013, 6:58 pm

Wufan wrote:
AngryWheat=FTW= wrote:In the modern era there has been some pretty elite MVC teams. UNI had a great one, MSU had a great one a long time ago, umm.. of course Creighton has had some pretty elite teams, and definitely WSU. So in the modern era it has been WSU, Creighton, UNI, and MSU. Am I missing anyone?


I wouldn't call any of those elite. Only WSU to the final four is comparable. Some talented teams to be proud of, but not elite.


It is hard to compare teams from different eras though isn't it? Remember UNI's win over a very good KU team a few years ago? UNI would have had to have a very very good "team" to accomplish that feat. Especially considering the difference in athletic talent.
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Re: All-Time MVC Elite MBB Teams

Postby Wufan » August 13th, 2013, 7:20 pm

AngryWheat=FTW= wrote:
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AngryWheat=FTW= wrote:In the modern era there has been some pretty elite MVC teams. UNI had a great one, MSU had a great one a long time ago, umm.. of course Creighton has had some pretty elite teams, and definitely WSU. So in the modern era it has been WSU, Creighton, UNI, and MSU. Am I missing anyone?


I wouldn't call any of those elite. Only WSU to the final four is comparable. Some talented teams to be proud of, but not elite.


It is hard to compare teams from different eras though isn't it? Remember UNI's win over a very good KU team a few years ago? UNI would have had to have a very very good "team" to accomplish that feat. Especially considering the difference in athletic talent.


That team was very good. They did not finish in the elite 8 or Final Four. That's where I draw the line for elite. Yes, it can be hard to gauge different eras which is why you look at how those teams did against their peers. UNI is borderline due to beating Kansas, but MSU? Creighton? Sorry, you need to brush up on your history.
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Re: All-Time MVC Elite MBB Teams

Postby rlh04d » August 13th, 2013, 9:22 pm

I'm fine with Elite 8 being the line for an "elite" team. I have a hard time accepting that there can be more than ten elite teams in a given year.

And no Creighton team since the 60's has any right to an "elite" label, with their zero Sweet 16 appearances. Creighton has been consistently good for a decade, but never elite.

The UNI team that beat Kansas is the only team other than WSU last year that I think has any argument at an "elite" description.
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Re: All-Time MVC Elite MBB Teams

Postby rlh04d » August 13th, 2013, 9:25 pm

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glm38 wrote:Lots of great teams. But I would easily put the 79 ISUb team at the very top. Larry legend is a top 5 all time player and Carl Nicks was pretty good player too.

Agreed. I'd definitely say '79 Indiana State and Larry Bird hold the throne.

And should hold it until a Valley team wins the NCAA tournament.

I wish they would have a greats from the MVC at Arch Madness. Like Bird, Hawkins, Oscar Robertson...

WSU's appearance in the CBE classic is pretty great timing this year, with Xavier McDaniel being inducted into the College Basketball Hall of Fame the day before.
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Re: All-Time MVC Elite MBB Teams

Postby AngryWheat=FTW= » August 13th, 2013, 9:38 pm

Wufan wrote:That team was very good. They did not finish in the elite 8 or Final Four. That's where I draw the line for elite. Yes, it can be hard to gauge different eras which is why you look at how those teams did against their peers. UNI is borderline due to beating Kansas, but MSU? Creighton? Sorry, you need to brush up on your history.


Fair enough. Using advancement in the NCAA tournament as criteria I see what you mean. I was thinking more along the lines of national ranking throughout the year. I remember long ago beating a top-15 Creighton team at the Kansas Coliseum and it seemed like a big deal then.
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Re: All-Time MVC Elite MBB Teams

Postby AngryWheat=FTW= » August 13th, 2013, 9:49 pm

rlh04d wrote:I'm fine with Elite 8 being the line for an "elite" team. I have a hard time accepting that there can be more than ten elite teams in a given year.

And no Creighton team since the 60's has any right to an "elite" label, with their zero Sweet 16 appearances. Creighton has been consistently good for a decade, but never elite.

The UNI team that beat Kansas is the only team other than WSU last year that I think has any argument at an "elite" description.


Bradley knocked off a pretty good Kansas team in 2006 didn't they?
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Re: All-Time MVC Elite MBB Teams

Postby rlh04d » August 13th, 2013, 11:33 pm

AngryWheat=FTW= wrote:
rlh04d wrote:I'm fine with Elite 8 being the line for an "elite" team. I have a hard time accepting that there can be more than ten elite teams in a given year.

And no Creighton team since the 60's has any right to an "elite" label, with their zero Sweet 16 appearances. Creighton has been consistently good for a decade, but never elite.

The UNI team that beat Kansas is the only team other than WSU last year that I think has any argument at an "elite" description.


Bradley knocked off a pretty good Kansas team in 2006 didn't they?

A 4 seed Kansas team.

Meanwhile we knocked off a 2 seed in that same tournament. Still wouldn't give us the "elite" label for that run, so I sure as hell wouldn't give it to Bradley.
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