Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby underdawg » May 30th, 2018, 6:21 pm

Cowboydawg wrote:
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siudawgs wrote:Season ticket sales in Carbondale would have seen a similar spike if Mullins had been brought in to replace a certain polarizing media darling.


Might or might not happened--but I just did a Pearson correlation matching number of wins and attendance for the last 28 years of Saluki Basketball;

There is a +.73 correlation between average attendance and number of wins in a season/ I then did one using percentage of capacity and wins (SIU has had a 10,000 seat version and now an 8400 version so using % of capacity might be more representative). That correlation was a bit lower (+.63) but still significant. winning correlates with attendance not (in the long run) coaching hires. You might get a one or two year uptick but that's it--you have to win. Mullins is no exception.

Can you boil that down to 1 short informative sentence for this old timer. 8-)



A lot of people say winning--especially against what they believe is a weak schedule---does not attract fans. I suppose there are some fans who will say "hey winning against a weak schedule is not really 'winning' so I'm not going if my team wins 20 plus games (for example).

But this shows most casual fans will go to see a winning team rather than a losing one. That's all the stats say----I know that seems like an obvious thing--but I thought I'd see if the stats back it up. They did in the case of 28 years of Saluki Ball at least. But who knows, maybe that has changed for the future and fans will will be more picky---sorry I couldn't do this in one sentence


As far as Loyola picking up fans because they won big this year, average attendance could go up a bit but they won all year and only had one really large crowd. Apparently there are other factors that determine attendance at a school like Loyola--maybe because of their commuter school (even at 14,000 enrollment) profile, or maybe students have other things to do??
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby PurpleRedbird » May 31st, 2018, 7:21 am

MissouriValleyUnite wrote:Within a month of Walter McCarty’s hiring, Evansville added 1k new STH’ers
https://twitter.com/ueathletics/status/ ... 44193?s=21

The local news announced this week Loyola has tripled its season ticket base from last year.

Imagine MSU is gradually increasing their counts as its fan base de-Luskifies.


So I have to say it for Loyola......is tripling their season ticket base good? Given the very, very small number of season tickets they had sold prior, I would have expected this to be significantly more than just tripled. Would love to see an actual number like Evansville is saying to see just how many this really is.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby Rambler63 » May 31st, 2018, 11:33 am

PurpleRedbird wrote:
MissouriValleyUnite wrote:Within a month of Walter McCarty’s hiring, Evansville added 1k new STH’ers
https://twitter.com/ueathletics/status/ ... 44193?s=21

The local news announced this week Loyola has tripled its season ticket base from last year.

Imagine MSU is gradually increasing their counts as its fan base de-Luskifies.


So I have to say it for Loyola......is tripling their season ticket base good? Given the very, very small number of season tickets they had sold prior, I would have expected this to be significantly more than just tripled. Would love to see an actual number like Evansville is saying to see just how many this really is.


Tripling the season tickets sold, 800~ walk-up/single game seats, and the student section growing by 50% would likely fill the place. Afternoon/evening rush hour traffic also plays a big role in reducing attendance (or at least those who show up). If you work in the suburbs and get out of work at 5:30, it's not always possible to make it to Rogers Park by 7. On some nights, from some suburbs, you might not make it by the end of halftime.

In mid-week night games against conference teams, Loyola's average attendance was 2208. On weekend games vs. conference opponents, it was 3188. If you don't count the two games when students weren't on campus, it was 2444/3507.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby Dansen » May 31st, 2018, 8:35 pm

Attendance is quite a quandary at Loyola. It isn't a commuter school anymore, maybe 20+ years ago but that is definitely not the profile anymore. A bigger issue is not being a huge sports school, outside of Men's Volleyball no real success for 30 years, as a student that just graduated the number one reason kids don't want to come is because "we suck". This is no longer an excuse and should change, as you could see a shift this year, and next year will be even better.

Not sure if its a huge factor either, but of Loyola's 10,000 undergrads, 63% are female. Not trying to be misogynistic, some of the best and most loyal fans on campus are women, but we all can agree that probably plays an impact.

And lastly, geography plays a small role. Like previously mentioned unless you live in Evanston or Wilmette, it is tough for suburban folks, and very far north for city folk.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby underdawg » June 1st, 2018, 5:32 am

Dansen wrote:Attendance is quite a quandary at Loyola. It isn't a commuter school anymore, maybe 20+ years ago but that is definitely not the profile anymore. A bigger issue is not being a huge sports school, outside of Men's Volleyball no real success for 30 years, as a student that just graduated the number one reason kids don't want to come is because "we suck". This is no longer an excuse and should change, as you could see a shift this year, and next year will be even better.

Not sure if its a huge factor either, but of Loyola's 10,000 undergrads, 63% are female. Not trying to be misogynistic, some of the best and most loyal fans on campus are women, but we all can agree that probably plays an impact.

And lastly, geography plays a small role. Like previously mentioned unless you live in Evanston or Wilmette, it is tough for suburban folks, and very far north for city folk.


I'd guess getting the students to come would make the biggest difference--it is at SIU--our best crowds contained a large contingent of on campus students
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby MissouriValleyUnite » June 28th, 2018, 10:40 pm

https://www.courierpress.com/story/spor ... 742269002/

UE is now up to more than 1,200 new season-ticket orders since McCarty’s hire for a 75 percent increase in total.


1600 + 1200 = 2800


Even if UE doesn’t gain a single walk-up ticket or partial package over last year, the 1200 increase alone would slot them into the top 10 attendance increases according to 2017 NCAA report.
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby VUGrad1314 » August 5th, 2018, 2:10 am

Evansville is on KU transfer Sam Cunliffe's list. If they somehow landed him it would be huge for them!

https://twitter.com/GaryBedore/status/1 ... 7004528640
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby VU2014 » August 6th, 2018, 11:45 am

MissouriValleyUnite wrote:https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/college/evansville/2018/06/28/crossover-evansville-basketball-honeymoon-period/742269002/

UE is now up to more than 1,200 new season-ticket orders since McCarty’s hire for a 75 percent increase in total.


1600 + 1200 = 2800


Even if UE doesn’t gain a single walk-up ticket or partial package over last year, the 1200 increase alone would slot them into the top 10 attendance increases according to 2017 NCAA report.


I'm curious how quickly McCarty can actually turn around UE. He gained some under the radar solid transfers but next season might be rough. How long do yo think it will take? 2-3-4 years?
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby VUGrad1314 » August 6th, 2018, 10:09 pm

Evansville is getting a visit from Cunliffe this weekend. Would be a huge get from the Aces.

https://twitter.com/RyanJamesMN/status/ ... 8316443649
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Re: Loyola, Evansville Season Tickets flying off the shelves

Postby UEACES80 » August 14th, 2018, 3:57 pm

Cunliffe got on board the McCarty Train.

IMO - UE will struggle early this year but will be better by year end but most likely a PIG team this season.

2019-2020 season should see a big bounce up in the MVC (at this point if all the pieces stay in place anything below 4th would likely be disappointing).

So proud of Coach McCarty trying to make UE a relevant player in the MVC. UE may not simply be a small school in a Mid_Major if Coach McCarty stays in Eville.
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