PurpleAcesFans shutting down — New Evansville Board

[AcesAces]

They didn’t hire an outside firm to negotiate settlement, they hired them to figure out what is true and what is not. Once they have finished their investigation, UE will decide what to do. Once they decide whether coach stays or goes, that is when they will negotiate the amounts. We are in the first stage of this process not the last one.

They know exactly what happened. Tribe is right, this is 100% about saving as much money as they can.

This isn't Hoosiers. They aren't going to put it to a town vote.

Not really. Some things happened and some things didn't. Again, the outside law firm is not negotiating a settlement, they are conducting an investigation as required. Saving money will come when the investigation is complete.

[sivert]

They know exactly what happened. Tribe is right, this is 100% about saving as much money as they can.

I don’t think it's that they need to know what happened. It’s that exactly what happened needs to be carefully documented. People don’t often get fired for cause. And in this legal climate, you have to have more than just reason for termination. You have to be able to demonstrate that your decision came after you had all the information.

[E-Villan]

They know exactly what happened. Tribe is right, this is 100% about saving as much money as they can.

I don’t think it's that they need to know what happened. It’s that exactly what happened needs to be carefully documented. People don’t often get fired for cause. And in this legal climate, you have to have more than just reason for termination. You have to be able to demonstrate that your decision came after you had all the information.

Correct. While this law firm may be conducting an investigation, I am sure they are also crossing all the legal T's and dotting the I's for the university. An outside firm's findings will make the cause justifiable.

I don't think anyone has an idea where things are at, and unfortunately, that air of uncertainty is probably the biggest issue facing the team right now.

I have stayed out of the rumor mill, but I have seen plenty of them. An interesting note, there was a facebook thread on a university post recently. In that thread, an identifiable member of the cheerleading squad was adamant that no part of this investigation involved any member of the cheer or spirit teams. Since she is obviously a current member of the team, seems the most credible source I have seen on the one particular rumor.

[GoAcesgo]

Correct. While this law firm may be conducting an investigation, I am sure they are also crossing all the legal T's and dotting the I's for the university. An outside firm's findings will make the cause justifiable.

I don't think anyone has an idea where things are at, and unfortunately, that air of uncertainty is probably the biggest issue facing the team right now.

I have stayed out of the rumor mill, but I have seen plenty of them. An interesting note, there was a facebook thread on a university post recently. In that thread, an identifiable member of the cheerleading squad was adamant that no part of this investigation involved any member of the cheer or spirit teams. Since she is obviously a current member of the team, seems the most credible source I have seen on the one particular rumor.[/quote]

This lined up from what I know from a very reliable source, although the rumor maybe true about the cheerleader there is nothing that speaks against two consenting adults having a relationship in the UE policy.

[tribecalledquest]

They know exactly what happened. Tribe is right, this is 100% about saving as much money as they can.

I don’t think it's that they need to know what happened. It’s that exactly what happened needs to be carefully documented. People don’t often get fired for cause. And in this legal climate, you have to have more than just reason for termination. You have to be able to demonstrate that your decision came after you had all the information.

Good Lord. They don't need to hire an outside firm to do Sherlock Holmes detective work. This isn't some mystery that NO ONE at Evansville knows the answer to.

Universities and college athletic departments are small little enclaves. Everyone knows everyones business. Walter McCarty doesn't do something in that world and no one associated with the University has any idea what the truth is. Come on now.

[goramblers2011]

Good Lord. They don't need to hire an outside firm to do Sherlock Holmes detective work. This isn't some mystery that NO ONE at Evansville knows the answer to.

Universities and college athletic departments are small little enclaves. Everyone knows everyones business. Walter McCarty doesn't do something in that world and no one associated with the University has any idea what the truth is. Come on now.

If you fire someone "for cause" and argue that he/she is not entitled to severance benefits due to the contract being voided--you better expect litigation. Especially when it is millions on the line. Having an outside law firm come in for an investigation is planning for the future--when any type of litigation inevitably happens, UE can point to the report.

[tribecalledquest]

Good Lord. They don't need to hire an outside firm to do Sherlock Holmes detective work. This isn't some mystery that NO ONE at Evansville knows the answer to.

Universities and college athletic departments are small little enclaves. Everyone knows everyones business. Walter McCarty doesn't do something in that world and no one associated with the University has any idea what the truth is. Come on now.

If you fire someone "for cause" and argue that he/she is not entitled to severance benefits due to the contract being voided--you better expect litigation. Especially when it is millions on the line. Having an outside law firm come in for an investigation is planning for the future--when any type of litigation inevitably happens, UE can point to the report.

Good point. The question isn't about "what happened", but being able to back it up legally. I get that.

[Eville Ways]

Especially when it is millions on the line.

Love that you think UE is a strong enough program to be able to afford to pay a coach millions. We're poor, yo. McCarty made millions in the NBA. We're talking hundreds of thousands here. Not nothing, but not set-for-life money, either. At this point, the money probably isn't as important to Walter as being able to avoid an "ugly" official statement from the university so that he can sweep this incident under the rug and go back to the assistant ranks in the NBA.

[Mikovio]

Especially when it is millions on the line.

Love that you think UE is a strong enough program to be able to afford to pay a coach millions. We're poor, yo. McCarty made millions in the NBA. We're talking hundreds of thousands here. Not nothing, but not set-for-life money, either. At this point, the money probably isn't as important to Walter as being able to avoid an "ugly" official statement from the university so that he can sweep this incident under the rug and go back to the assistant ranks in the NBA.

Do you know what McCarty was/is being paid and how many years are on his contract? Simmons was apparently only getting $240k but I would imagine they opened up their wallets for McCarty.

[E-Villan]

Especially when it is millions on the line.

Love that you think UE is a strong enough program to be able to afford to pay a coach millions. We're poor, yo. McCarty made millions in the NBA. We're talking hundreds of thousands here. Not nothing, but not set-for-life money, either. At this point, the money probably isn't as important to Walter as being able to avoid an "ugly" official statement from the university so that he can sweep this incident under the rug and go back to the assistant ranks in the NBA.

Do you know what McCarty was/is being paid and how many years are on his contract? Simmons was apparently only getting $240k but I would imagine they opened up their wallets for McCarty.

I don't know about the length, but McCarty is in the $400K range. There are bonuses for performance..post-season, attendance,etc. I was also told McCarty negotiated pretty hard to get more money for his assistants. That was last year when he brought Lick and Graves in, not sure if that carried over to Seltzer. He was also given "a considerable" higher recruiting budget, and perks such as video room upgrades, travel upgrades, etc.

There is no question there is more money available to him than ever was to Simmons. Simmons also never gave anything other than base performance.