Loyola leaving for the Atlantic 10 ?

[Red]

The A10 isn't better than the MVC. And there are more mouths to feed. It's too bad that DePaul is in the Big East, because that is probably the league where Loyola would be a perfect fit institutionally.

With this run of success over multiple seasons, I'd say it's more and more likely that Loyola is the best potential final add to the Big East.

No way this actually happens IMO. SLU seems like the most likely candidate to me, but I think they are content with 11 teams now.

[Jsnhbe1Birds]

The A10 isn't better than the MVC. And there are more mouths to feed. It's too bad that DePaul is in the Big East, because that is probably the league where Loyola would be a perfect fit institutionally.

With this run of success over multiple seasons, I'd say it's more and more likely that Loyola is the best potential final add to the Big East.

No way this actually happens IMO. SLU seems like the most likely candidate to me, but I think they are content with 11 teams now.

IMO Dayton is the best program and they are catholic not that that matters since they allowed UCONN in. That potentially adds Wichita State to the list of possibilities.

1. Dayton
2. SLU
3. Wichita State
4. Loyola (if Porter stays I could see this being number one despite DePaul. DePaul is the laughing stock of the league. Not sure if they would listen to their pleas. They have the money if they want to do it. Then again, if they can do what theyre doing in in the MVC and youll get better players in the future then why move up? Like Gonzaga. No point when youre conference does everything to appease which we should do. Granted Gonzaga doesnt necessarily have the Big East (although its been rumored before) only the MWC.

My dream is the MVC going all out to poach Dayton, SLU, Wichita State, and Murray State for a 14 team league. That would require the AAC being raided, however.

[squirrel]

Many Big East members have a history with SLU and don't want them. Even if they were to take SLU, it would only be after about 7 others turned down the offer.

[MVC Phil]

Xavier, DePaul, and Marquette all are on record stating they would not vote to allow St Louis or Dayton to the Big East. I cannot recall 100% but I believe they have CU's support on this as well.

Xavier is the lead on this and the rivalry with Dayton is intense on this matter.

There is some old Great Midwest pushback from back in the day. It falls along the lines of Jesuit vs. Marinist schools.

This has come up a couple of times in the past and came up again when UCONN was added.

UCONN was added to appease the "old" school members who wanted to expand with St. Louis and Dayton.

I don't how Loyola falls along those lines but it seems to me they don't want to share the Midwest portion of the Big East money and possible talent coming out of Catholic schools.

If the MVC could add Dayton and St Louis as teams 11 and 12 I think you bypass A10 standing and start looking at AAC level gaining on the Big East heals.

[squirrel]

I've always thought the Valley should try and poach the Pennsylvania A10 teams, St. Joseph's, La Salle, and Duquesne.

[squirrel]

Xavier, DePaul, and Marquette all are on record stating they would not vote to allow St Louis or Dayton to the Big East. I cannot recall 100% but I believe they have CU's support on this as well.

Xavier is the lead on this and the rivalry with Dayton is intense on this matter.

This, although ultimately, all will fold if it's for the good of the league. If they have a chance to hit a home run on an addition, it will happen. Also with the UConn add, those divisions are now weakened a little bit, as there is another voice in the room.

[Blers]

I think most Loyola fans have summed it up, but we like it here. I think a lot of this stems from Chicago media pushing how well we'd fit in the Big East/A-10/American... the latter two just because they have a few more consistently "Mid Major Plus" schools. The Valley's great, as is the tradition, but it isn't the trendiest "name brand" mid major conference in the country...That said Drake did a lot of good to elevate the league, and had we had a post season last year I think UNI had a shot at an at large, and Loyola had a shot at an at large in the NIT... things are on the up!

With a new commissioner and some teams on the rise, I think most would agree the Valley's in a real good spot. That said, I agree a brand refresh would be good... never been a fan of the Valley's logo

[E-Villan]

Xavier, DePaul, and Marquette all are on record stating they would not vote to allow St Louis or Dayton to the Big East. I cannot recall 100% but I believe they have CU's support on this as well.

Xavier is the lead on this and the rivalry with Dayton is intense on this matter.

There is some old Great Midwest pushback from back in the day. It falls along the lines of Jesuit vs. Marinist schools.

This has come up a couple of times in the past and came up again when UCONN was added.

UCONN was added to appease the "old" school members who wanted to expand with St. Louis and Dayton.

I don't how Loyola falls along those lines but it seems to me they don't want to share the Midwest portion of the Big East money and possible talent coming out of Catholic schools.

If the MVC could add Dayton and St Louis as teams 11 and 12 I think you bypass A10 standing and start looking at AAC level gaining on the Big East heals.

My guess is the Xavier animosity towards Dayton goes back to the MCC breakup. When SLU and Marquette left to join the new Great Midwest with DePaul, the remaining members, including Dayton pledged to remain together. As such, LaSalle and Duquesne joined, and Bradley and Creighton were dipping their toes in pretty far. In all probability, they would have followed. The next year, the Great Midwest started whispering in others ears. Dayton went to the MCC with a list of demands, including being named permanent host of the conference tournament. Needless to say, that didn't go over. Dayton then abruptly left. This created the domino with Duquesne running back to the A-10, taking LaSalle and Xavier with them, and Evansville bolting for the MVC. I know our AD's office wasn't shy about their disdain for Dayton after this happened.

When the Great Midwest morphed into Conference USA, Dayton got a dose of karma, and were left out. They joined the A-10 at that point, so either Xavier didn't have enough pull to keep them out, or they put their issues aside for the good of the league. No idea on that.

I like your thoughts on Dayton and SLU, but only if we could lock them up for some period. Jumping in and then out would not do us any good.

I have no idea if DePaul has the clout to ever keep Loyola out of the Big East. Obviously Loyola is the better program today. Remember, the Great Midwest was spearheaded by DePaul because they didn't want to join the MCC and put themselves on the same footing as Loyola.

[Action10]

Xavier, DePaul, and Marquette all are on record stating they would not vote to allow St Louis or Dayton to the Big East. I cannot recall 100% but I believe they have CU's support on this as well.

Xavier is the lead on this and the rivalry with Dayton is intense on this matter.

There is some old Great Midwest pushback from back in the day. It falls along the lines of Jesuit vs. Marinist schools.

This has come up a couple of times in the past and came up again when UCONN was added.

UCONN was added to appease the "old" school members who wanted to expand with St. Louis and Dayton.

I don't how Loyola falls along those lines but it seems to me they don't want to share the Midwest portion of the Big East money and possible talent coming out of Catholic schools.

If the MVC could add Dayton and St Louis as teams 11 and 12 I think you bypass A10 standing and start looking at AAC level gaining on the Big East heals.

My guess is the Xavier animosity towards Dayton goes back to the MCC breakup. When SLU and Marquette left to join the new Great Midwest with DePaul, the remaining members, including Dayton pledged to remain together. As such, LaSalle and Duquesne joined, and Bradley and Creighton were dipping their toes in pretty far. In all probability, they would have followed. The next year, the Great Midwest started whispering in others ears. Dayton went to the MCC with a list of demands, including being named permanent host of the conference tournament. Needless to say, that didn't go over. Dayton then abruptly left. This created the domino with Duquesne running back to the A-10, taking LaSalle and Xavier with them, and Evansville bolting for the MVC. I know our AD's office wasn't shy about their disdain for Dayton after this happened.

When the Great Midwest morphed into Conference USA, Dayton got a dose of karma, and were left out. They joined the A-10 at that point, so either Xavier didn't have enough pull to keep them out, or they put their issues aside for the good of the league. No idea on that.

I like your thoughts on Dayton and SLU, but only if we could lock them up for some period. Jumping in and then out would not do us any good.

I have no idea if DePaul has the clout to ever keep Loyola out of the Big East. Obviously Loyola is the better program today. Remember, the Great Midwest was spearheaded by DePaul because they didn't want to join the MCC and put themselves on the same footing as Loyola.

Great info! This is only my second post since joining, but it is discussion like this that caused me to want to join this forum.
Seems to me like the MVC does a great job of finding teams that want to be part of the conference long term when they do add new members.

[Milanmiracle]

I’ll just add that I think Loyola is a good fit for the MVC, and I think they’ll stay long term. Better to be the class of the league than a mid pack in a supposedly better conference. That said Butler made the jump from the Horizon League, to the A10 for a year, to the Big East, so I wouldn’t rule anything out.