Odum for FOY

[sycamorestateofmind]

Odum used his red shirt, are you saying you are going to hold that against him in voting for the award? It's all within the rules of the game and won't get any consideration what-so-ever when voting. Rice had every opportunity to red shirt this season and let me go on the record in saying that I didn't want the Sycamores to redshirt Odum, they did and I was probably wrong for my opinion in the grand scheme of things.

[DUBulldog]

Odum used his red shirt, are you saying you are going to hold that against him in voting for the award? It's all within the rules of the game and won't get any consideration what-so-ever when voting. Rice had every opportunity to red shirt this season and let me go on the record in saying that I didn't want the Sycamores to redshirt Odum, they did and I was probably wrong for my opinion in the grand scheme of things.

No, not holding it against him at all. Just pointing out the age difference. At that age, there is a big physical difference between the two ages. I can't wait to see what Rice can do in a couple of years. In other words, give me Rice at age 20 vs Odum at age 20. But, I guess that really isn't relevant in the discussion of FOY this year. They'll both certainly be on the all freshmen team, but McDermott will win the award.

[valleychamp]

Why is Odom 20?

[Bawss]

Why is Odom 20?

He's a redshirt....

[St. Sebastian]

I don't think enough credit is being given to the fact that Odum plays point guard, a much more important position than McDermott plays. Also, McDermott is blessed to have a really good point guard in Antoine Young.

The pressures on both players are a lot different, though both are excellent.

Also, Odum scored 17 points, had 7 assists and five rebounds in a big must-win game for Indiana State against Northern Iowa on Tuesday. In a big game for Creighton on Wednesday, McDermott had one of his worst efforts of the season with 11 points and 3 rebounds.

[valleychamp]

I don't think enough credit is being given to the fact that Odum plays point guard, a much more important position than McDermott plays. Also, McDermott is blessed to have a really good point guard in Antoine Young.

The pressures on both players are a lot different, though both are excellent.

Also, Odum scored 17 points, had 7 assists and five rebounds in a big must-win game for Indiana State against Northern Iowa on Tuesday. In a big game for Creighton on Wednesday, McDermott had one of his worst efforts of the season with 11 points and 3 rebounds.

Your argument holds absolutely no weight. You cannot put more stock into a guy because of your personal perception that his position is more important. Ridiculous.

Doug McDermott is going to be a first team all conference player as a true freshman. He is the leading rebounder and top 5 scorer in the entire league.The fact that you have to argue that one of McDermott's "worst" games of the season was still a game in which he scored in double figures, says a lot about the type of year he had.

He has had a great freshman season, but there is no argument for Odom.

[Bawss]

I don't think enough credit is being given to the fact that Odum plays point guard, a much more important position than McDermott plays. Also, McDermott is blessed to have a really good point guard in Antoine Young.

The pressures on both players are a lot different, though both are excellent.

Also, Odum scored 17 points, had 7 assists and five rebounds in a big must-win game for Indiana State against Northern Iowa on Tuesday. In a big game for Creighton on Wednesday, McDermott had one of his worst efforts of the season with 11 points and 3 rebounds.

Your argument holds absolutely no weight. You cannot put more stock into a guy because of your personal perception that his position is more important. Ridiculous.

Doug McDermott is going to be a first team all conference player as a true freshman. He is the leading rebounder and top 5 scorer in the entire league.The fact that you have to argue that one of McDermott's "worst" games of the season was still a game in which he scored in double figures, says a lot about the type of year he had.

He has had a great freshman season, but there is no argument for Odom.

What do you mean no argument?
Odum could possibly get DPOY. He leads in steals and is top 5 in assists (apparently leads in conference play)

...What? none?

[beatingrillz]

Kyle Weems should be DPOY 5th in steals 6th in blocks.

[St. Sebastian]

I don't think enough credit is being given to the fact that Odum plays point guard, a much more important position than McDermott plays. Also, McDermott is blessed to have a really good point guard in Antoine Young.

The pressures on both players are a lot different, though both are excellent.

Also, Odum scored 17 points, had 7 assists and five rebounds in a big must-win game for Indiana State against Northern Iowa on Tuesday. In a big game for Creighton on Wednesday, McDermott had one of his worst efforts of the season with 11 points and 3 rebounds.

Your argument holds absolutely no weight.

Well, OK then. Pretty much every coach known to man recruits a point guard first before any other player aside from a skilled 7-foot center, but as long as you say it's a personal bias it must be true.

[sycamorestateofmind]

During conference play Odum is 7th in the nation in steals - good grief you guys give a kid no credit. The only stats you want to focus on is rebounds and points. That's really all you have to make your case on.

You can't make it on:

His leadership compared to Odum.

His value to his team compared to Odum

His overall game compared to Odum

His teams record compared to Odum


The list goes on and on, the fact that you guys sit her and go well Odum is a good player but he wont win? Tell me why he wont win the award? I already told you guys why McDermott won't win the award, give me something other than - he just won't win that's not an answer. Doug will not win because he's been literally outplayed in MVC play by Odum, realizing that this is not an award for just MVC games but those games hold more weight than non-conference games especially when Creighton had a much weaker SOS than the Sycamores. Yes McDermott can rebound the basketball, no doubting that - but so can Odum for his position. Odum is far and a way a more complete player and his value to his team is clear not in my words but in the quotes of coaches after games and our record.

In case I didn't mention it, the Suckamores were picked to finish 7th in the Valley, we finished 3rd in the Valley. You think the voters for this award won't take notice on the reason why that maybe happened? We were picked to finish 7th because nobody heard of Jake Odum recruited by nobody - because he was only a 6'0 guard coming out of highschool. He redshirted grew 4 inches and turned a perennial take it to the bank loser into a freaking winner that can not only win at home, but on the road.