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Re: ISU seed?

Postby St. Sebastian » March 8th, 2011, 1:06 pm

Drakey wrote:Has the Valley ever sending a team this bad to the NCAA tournament? When?


Are you serious? A team "that bad" won eight MVC teams in a row to end the season and beat every single team in the conference at some point.

Blame Indiana State for its lousy nonconference performance, the team had a totally different non-Odum focus at the time, but also blame the entire conference for sucking and dragging every team's collective RPI down.

It's not as if Missouri State or Wichita State was going to roll in the NCAA Tournament and get an 8-seed. They'd be in the 12-13 range as well.
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Postby MSUDuo » March 8th, 2011, 1:19 pm

St. Sebastian wrote:
Drakey wrote:Has the Valley ever sending a team this bad to the NCAA tournament? When?


Are you serious? A team "that bad" won eight MVC teams in a row to end the season and beat every single team in the conference at some point.

Blame Indiana State for its lousy nonconference performance, the team had a totally different non-Odum focus at the time, but also blame the entire conference for sucking and dragging every team's collective RPI down.

It's not as if Missouri State or Wichita State was going to roll in the NCAA Tournament and get an 8-seed. They'd be in the 12-13 range as well.


MSU would have been 11-12. Big difference between 14-15
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Re: ISU seed?

Postby DoubleJayAlum » March 8th, 2011, 2:13 pm

Drakey wrote:Has the Valley ever sending a team this bad to the NCAA tournament? When?


I don't know about the phrase "that bad" but the last MVC school to get a bid that low was probably the Bradley team of 2005-6 that went to the Sweet Sixteen.
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Re: ISU seed?

Postby MSUDuo » March 8th, 2011, 11:45 pm

ISUb getting some help with some upsets from bad teams in the lower conferences.
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Re: ISU seed?

Postby Khan4Cats » March 9th, 2011, 8:39 am

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ihsi wrote:I'm gonna say 12-13. Is there any chance that Indiana State would have to play one of the "play in" games or are those strictly designed for at large teams?

No only the worst 4 at large teams and the worst 4 auto bid teams have to play the play in games. The trees dont fall into either group. Newest bracketology has them playing as a 14 seed against Syracuse. Hopefully they just represent the valley well and dont get blown out. Didnt the orangemen beat down UNI earlier this season?


UNI lost to Syracuse by 22 to start the season. Was close in the first half and then Syracuse caught fire in the second where UNI couldn't hit anything. Of course, Indiana State beat UNI by 25 this season, so I think they'll fare just fine in that match-up!
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Re: ISU seed?

Postby UNIFanSince1983 » March 9th, 2011, 9:02 am

In 2004 UNI was a 14 seed. I believe Bradley in 2006 was a 13 seed. I do not see any way ISU won't be either 14 or 13, but it is possible to make a run from either one of those spots. It is harder at 14 but it is possible. Go give them heck Sycamores!
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Re: ISU seed?

Postby PowderBlue » March 9th, 2011, 9:33 am

Drakey wrote:Has the Valley ever sending a team this bad to the NCAA tournament? When?


:huh:
Care to support that incredibly deep hypothesis with anything?

Either that or you are saying that this was possibly the weakest conference year in the history of the current Valley set up. It's not like the 3 seed winning the tournament is a huge upset.
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Re: ISU seed?

Postby CaseyGarrisonforPrez » March 9th, 2011, 10:32 am

PowderBlue wrote:
Drakey wrote:Has the Valley ever sending a team this bad to the NCAA tournament? When?


:huh:
Care to support that incredibly deep hypothesis with anything?

Either that or you are saying that this was possibly the weakest conference year in the history of the current Valley set up. It's not like the 3 seed winning the tournament is a huge upset.


I'm just going by the eye test but ISUBlue does not impress me much. I don't see any Royce Waltman magic like the year they beat Oklahoma. This team is almost assuredly one and done no matter who they match up with. I think the Trees greatly benefited from the back to back games but that won't be the case in the Big Dance. They will face a rested team on Thursday and Friday and if they get thru somehow they will face a team with a day's rest as well.

Ultimately, I just see ISU getting worked over by somebody and hurting the Valley's image when has already taken a hit. Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't see it. They did beat us twice but once was because of an awful call and the second time was because of tired legs. I just hope the other Valley teams that play in the postseason represent the league well because I have little faith in the Trees doing that at this point.

I see them getting a 13 based on the Valley's historical reputation and then getting smashed by Georgetown or something.
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Re: ISU seed?

Postby MoStBear93 » March 9th, 2011, 10:38 am

ISU should be a 12 or 13 seed. Give me a break..if Indiana St. defends like they did in the tournament, they will be fine. That said...it is all about matchups....a great big man could give them some trouble...just like many mid-majors...we sometimes lack quality athletic big men.
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Re: ISU seed?

Postby PowderBlue » March 9th, 2011, 11:39 am

CaseyGarrisonforPrez wrote:I'm just going by the eye test but ISUBlue does not impress me much. I don't see any Royce Waltman magic like the year they beat Oklahoma. This team is almost assuredly one and done no matter who they match up with. I think the Trees greatly benefited from the back to back games but that won't be the case in the Big Dance. They will face a rested team on Thursday and Friday and if they get thru somehow they will face a team with a day's rest as well.

Ultimately, I just see ISU getting worked over by somebody and hurting the Valley's image when has already taken a hit. Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't see it. They did beat us twice but once was because of an awful call and the second time was because of tired legs. I just hope the other Valley teams that play in the postseason represent the league well because I have little faith in the Trees doing that at this point.

I see them getting a 13 based on the Valley's historical reputation and then getting smashed by Georgetown or something.


Without going into too great of depth or ranting (too much of that already)...
ISU had the best FG% D in the conference.
They were the 2nd best rebounding team in the conference.
They led the conference in steals.

They are a very good defensive team this year. Because of that, they stand a decent shot to at least make it a game against a 3 or 4 seed. Also, they led the conference in number of three's made per game...and as the year went on they became more selective about taking those threes.

If we get matched up against a running, high-tempo team...it could be a long day. But if we get matched up against a guard oriented, balanced to half-court style team, we stand as good a chance as anyone else.

And yes, I am saying that maybe your team or the officials didn't just have a bad day.
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