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[iSASO]

It just seems like a lot of jealousy from a bunch of guys that probably got cut by their junior high coach, and are pissed off that a guy like Weems could make a bunch of money playing a sport while you stroll back into your cubicle.

Tell us more about the checks Weems has been cashing for playing ball.

[OkoboJay]

Do I think Weems is a heckuva player? Yes
Did the antics of him and his coach leave a sour taste in my mouth after beating CU in Springfield? Yes

Take a chill pill DieHard...I'm just having a little fun.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Yeah, but CU recruited a character like that. MSU does not do that.

If chest pumping and flexing bothers people that much then I would suggest that basketball fandom may not be for you. Plus Weems backed it up and ultimately won a championship, not too shabby.

Stinnett won one too moron. He was FOY and NOY and got kicked off the team for being an ass. The difference isn't in the players, it's in how the coach handles or doesn't handle the behavior.

Yeah, I was speaking in generalities in the second short paragraph dude. If you are comparing a true community champion like Kyle Weems to a punk-like character like P'Allen Stinnett then I simply cannot rationalize with you.

Weems = one championship
Stinnett = one championship

I will say that Weems reminds me more of Stinnet than any other player in the MVC.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Yeah, but CU recruited a character like that. MSU does not do that.

If chest pumping and flexing bothers people that much then I would suggest that basketball fandom may not be for you. Plus Weems backed it up and ultimately won a championship, not too shabby.

Stinnett won one too moron. He was FOY and NOY and got kicked off the team for being an ass. The difference isn't in the players, it's in how the coach handles or doesn't handle the behavior.

How would you expect a coach to handle that situation when the coach does the same thing the play does in terms of running around screaming, jumping up on and down in celebration, chest pumping, etc...


Here is how UNI celebrated being Kansas - they hugged each other, pointed to the UNI fans in OKC, then left the court....and beating Kansas is FAR bigger than a rebound with 4 minutes left in an MVC game or winning the regular season MVC crown. Coach Jake might have (I can't confirm this in anyway right now) done a small fist pump in front of him.


The difference between UNI and MSU is stunning in this area. I couldn't ever imagine UNI running around like that.

Very true.

Instead UNI recruits cheap shot artists like O'Rear.

[MoValley John]

There is a huge difference between showing emotion and how Weems and Creekmore behaved. With the exception that they wern't "thugs" and didn't toss mouthpieces or kick basketballs, their antics on the court were exactly like P'Allen. Exactly. Same posturing, same posing, same stare downs. All the same. That said, in reality I don't care that they made arses of themselves. The interesting thing is it was beyond what would make me upset, they just looked silly. It also came back to haunt Weems with the photos of him crying.

Generally, I have always feel bad for guys when they lose. Whether they are on a team I support or a team I despise, I know and understand the pain and my heart always has gone out to the guys that lose. Glad as heck my team won, take great joy in that, but always have felt bad for the guys who lost. I didn't feel that way when I saw Weems cry. I didn't delight in it, I simply had no sympathy for a guy that goes around gorilla thumping his chest, flexing, pointing, taunting benches and so on.

Win with class, lose with dignity. Weems failed that eye test.

[Khan4Cats]

Here is how UNI celebrated being Kansas - they hugged each other, pointed to the UNI fans in OKC, then left the court....and beating Kansas is FAR bigger than a rebound with 4 minutes left in an MVC game or winning the regular season MVC crown. Coach Jake might have (I can't confirm this in anyway right now) done a small fist pump in front of him.


The difference between UNI and MSU is stunning in this area. I couldn't ever imagine UNI running around like that.

Uh, UNI was guilty of grandstanding and overall abhorrent behavior that year. The game in Springfield was a perfect example, the dude on UNI that looked liek they guy from My Name is Earl (blanking on his name) was taunting the student section all game long. Also I remember UNI players taunting the Kansas player that had collapsed on the court in sadness. Not exactly a class act.

I'm calling BS on this. I have never seen evidence of or even heard this accusation made before. No UNI players even went near him.

[LJay]

There is a huge difference between showing emotion and how Weems and Creekmore behaved. With the exception that they wern't "thugs" and didn't toss mouthpieces or kick basketballs, their antics on the court were exactly like P'Allen. Exactly. Same posturing, same posing, same stare downs. All the same. That said, in reality I don't care that they made arses of themselves. The interesting thing is it was beyond what would make me upset, they just looked silly. It also came back to haunt Weems with the photos of him crying.

Generally, I have always feel bad for guys when they lose. Whether they are on a team I support or a team I despise, I know and understand the pain and my heart always has gone out to the guys that. Glad as heck my team won, take great joy in that, but always have felt bad for the guys who lost. I didn't feel that way when I saw Weems cry. I didn't delight in it, I simply had no sympathy for a guy that goes around gorilla thumping his chest, flexing, pointing, taunting benches and so on.

Win with class, lose with dignity. Weems failed that eye test.

[Ace Dad]

Guys, you should have left this one alone. There are players who react with emotion after a play. Then, there are players who choreograph what they will do after a good play to bring attention to themselves. Comparing Kimba's elation after hitting a game winning shot to Mr. Routine's "Look At Me" antics are apples and oranges. The man needs to act like he has dunked, blocked a shot, and hit a shot before.

[Deanthonybowdenfan]

Yea....I dont know Your coach personally MSU....and he may be a good man but...from what i do know of him hes a coward. What he did after the creighton game in springfield was low-life material. I dont care how excited u r.....when your shaking hands with your opponents you dont act the way he was.....anyone who saw the end of that game knows exactly what im talking about. Maybe a high school kid does that......but a 40 year old man? Are you Kidding me? Grow the f up and become a man son!

PS- I also love this kind of stuff cause it fuels the fire for next time u play them, although it didnt show for us.

[MoValley John]

[quote="Ace Dad"]Guys, you should have left this one alone. There are players who react with emotion after a play. Then, there are players who choreograph what they will do after a good play to bring attention to themselves. Comparing Kimba's elation after hitting a game winning shot to Mr. Routine's "Look At Me" antics are apples and oranges. The man needs to act like he has dunked, blocked a shot, and hit a shot before.[/quote]

Exactly right. Even in golf, there is nothing wrong with a fist pump after a long birdie putt to win a tournament, but the fist pump is quickly put away as the golfer graciously shakes his opponents hand. You may say golf is a bad example, I for one would like to see more emotion in golf, but that is the benchmark for sportsmanship.

On another note, MSU fans chime in on how Weems is a model citizen, and that may very well be true. For all I know, the guy helps little old ladies across the street, volunteers at the local childrens hospital, gives a full, pretax tithe to his church and serves meals at the local homeless shelter. All of that is seen by the people in Springfield. Nobody in Wichita, Omaha, Des Moines, Evansville, Terra Haute, Carbondale, Normal, Peoriaor Cedar Falls sees any of it. And frankly, they don't care, nor should they. Whatever good Weems does in the community goes no further than the local fans.

On the flipside, like it or not, your basketball team is the face of Missouri State. Nobody outside of Springfield sees any of the good that Weems may do. The only thing that is presented to the entire country on CBS, ESPN and Fox Sports is how he acts on the court. The gestures, the stare downs, the arm flexes, the Superman's, the gorilla chest beating and the crying when things don't go his way, that is Missouri State because that is what the world sees of Missouri State. Weems is the leader of the team and the posterchild of the program. That is all the world sees and knows of of Missouri State. That is the billboard displayed for everyone to see. In the eyes of locals, Weems is a great guy, in the eyes of the rest of the world, Missouri State is a bunch of showboating poorsports, who cry when they lose. It may not be accurate, but you are what you project. As AceDad said, you should have left this one alone.