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[unipanther99]

If the MVC was going to move the conference tournament to the Chicago area (and I don't think they should or will), I think it would be more likely to take place at Allstate Arena than the United Center.

[frankthetank]

If the MVC was going to move the conference tournament to the Chicago area (and I don't think they should or will), I think it would be more likely to take place at Allstate Arena than the United Center.

I doubt it would happen since the Big Ten will, at the very least, have their tournament at the United Center every other year going forward. In fact, it's likely that the Big Ten will end up making the United Center into a permanent location instead of rotating the tournament with Indianapolis - the event always sells out and there are more seats (almost 5000 more when including standing room only) paying higher prices because of the larger and wealthier corporate base.

There is a potential new South Loop arena near McCormick Place for DePaul and other events, which would be a nice option if the MVC or anyone other than the Big Ten wanted to have a tournament in Chicago if it actually gets built. Still, I would think that St. Louis continue to be the best option for the MVC long-term - "Arch Madness" is part of the conference branding at this point.

[shoxrox]

Of course it is short sighted and ignorant. But consider the source and the situation. A good portion of WSU fans believe one or more of the following and it colors their view of what the MVC should do:

1) They have one foot out of the door. They believe that they are on the verge of moving out of the conference soon. Who cares about long term if you won't be around to see it?

2) They are afraid of losing their head coach. Marshall left a one bid league and moved to the MVC because he thought it was a multi-bid league. The fear is that if it reverts to a one bid league, Marshall will move on. As a result, adding a team that can compete for NCAA bids immediately is much more important than adding a team that may be the best candidate long term.

3) WSU has a lengthy history of failing in St Louis. Ever since the conference the tourney moved away from school sites to the neutral St Louis, WSU has failed to win a single conference tourney. Even when WSU won conference titles (2006 and 2012), they failed to even make the championship, let alone win it. The idea that the only bid will go to the conference tourney champ is especially troubling when you have that sort of history.

4) Creighton is the team that is leaving. If anybody else left, it wouldn't bother certain WSU fans so much. They consider Creighton their primary rival (some taking the rivalry to extreme levels). Losing your rival causes one to want to replace that team with another that is of the same level that you can immediately have the same level of hate. (It is probably worth adding, parenthetically, that to a segment of the WSU fanbase, seeing CU leave while they have to stay is more infuriating than anything else possibly could be; the jealousy was/is overwhelming. After the speculation about Creighton leaving broke, there were several such comments on Shockernet along these very lines).

When you believe one or more of the above, you naturally tend to think short term rather than long term.

Wow, you sure know A LOT about the views of a Shocker fan. Obsess much? Or maybe a closet fan?

You're easily the most ignorant poster on this forum. I think you're the only Creighton fan left on this site. The question remains.. Why are you still here? GTFO already.

[shoxrox]

I too think the shock nation is being shortsighted about all this. What motivation will they give LU to sweep their non-con? What will you do? Will Wushock do 20 backflips in a row? Ramblers bring it, shut these guys up.

Exactly. Have them do something your program can't do.

[Haha]

DJA posts here for one reason, self inflated ego.

He can't peddle his tired routine on the catholic league board. CU probably the least NCAA success among them. Basketball budget isn't second best in league anymore. Omaha has got to be the smallest metro. Finally nobody will listen to his bull on academics over there.

It's obvious he derives self esteem based on others perception of his school. I would guess he can't throw out barbs insulting other people's education, city, athletic dept anymore. He needs this so he comes here. It's pathetic and tired, just ignore him.

[DoubleJayAlum]

If one couldn't tell already, Haha and shoxrox fall into category number 4 (outlined above):

4) Creighton is the team that is leaving. If anybody else left, it wouldn't bother certain WSU fans so much. They consider Creighton their primary rival (some taking the rivalry to extreme levels). Losing your rival causes one to want to replace that team with another that is of the same level that you can immediately have the same level of hate. (It is probably worth adding, parenthetically, that to a segment of the WSU fanbase, seeing CU leave while they have to stay is more infuriating than anything else possibly could be; the jealousy was/is overwhelming. After the speculation about Creighton leaving broke, there were several such comments on Shockernet along these very lines).

Wow, you sure know A LOT about the views of a Shocker fan. Obsess much? Or maybe a closet fan?

Just well read. Plus a lot of what I posted is just common sense.

By the way, last I checked, Creighton is member of the MVC through June 30, 2013. We haven't gone anywhere yet.

Besides, since I have been talking about realignment as far back as anyone (often generating ridicule throughout that period by people who claimed that nobody was going to leave the MVC any time soon), I find the whole issue of Creighton's replacement very intriguing. I think Loyola is a smart pick by the schools and suspect that is why it was a unanimous selection. Personally, I would have favored Oral Roberts, but with their questions about finances, I understand why Loyola was selected.

[jwa123]

I too think the shock nation is being shortsighted about all this. What motivation will they give LU to sweep their non-con? What will you do? Will Wushock do 20 backflips in a row? Ramblers bring it, shut these guys up.

Exactly. Have them do something your program can't do.

Well speaking as an ISU fan, college basketball is a facet of our lives but it isn't the sum total of our lives like it is with you. We also have our own lives and don't have to live vicariously through 19 year olds in short pants like you do. If you need to derive a super large measure of your self esteem through the exploits of the Shocker teenagers that's fine for you but the rest of us have other means.

Now fire back with another one of your taunting insults like you usually do but just because the Shockers are on an upswing at this point in time doesn't make you a better or worse person. You are what you are.

[IllinoisState]

I too think the shock nation is being shortsighted about all this. What motivation will they give LU to sweep their non-con? What will you do? Will Wushock do 20 backflips in a row? Ramblers bring it, shut these guys up.

Exactly. Have them do something your program can't do.

Well speaking as an ISU fan, college basketball is a facet of our lives but it isn't the sum total of our lives like it is with you. We also have our own lives and don't have to live vicariously through 19 year olds in short pants like you do. If you need to derive a super large measure of your self esteem through the exploits of the Shocker teenagers that's fine for you but the rest of us have other means.

Now fire back with another one of your taunting insults like you usually do but just because the Shockers are on an upswing at this point in time doesn't make you a better or worse person. You are what you are.

I agree with this.

[shoxrox]

Well speaking as an ISU fan, college basketball is a facet of our lives but it isn't the sum total of our lives like it is with you. We also have our own lives and don't have to live vicariously through 19 year olds in short pants like you do. If you need to derive a super large measure of your self esteem through the exploits of the Shocker teenagers that's fine for you but the rest of us have other means.

Now fire back with another one of your taunting insults like you usually do but just because the Shockers are on an upswing at this point in time doesn't make you a better or worse person. You are what you are.

Well, are you or are you not a fan? This is the type of response I would expect of a team that has a less than firery fanbase and their best chance at an NCAA bid in 15 years resulted in another bottom half Valley finish, a place that looks destined in your future.

Something tells me that if the roles were reversed, you'd be eyeing things a bit differently. When you're not used to playing at the top of college basketball, the spectacle becomes more boring, less desirable, and probably a lot more meaningless. Do you think KU or UK or UNC fans have that same line of thinking going around? You certainly won't find it around there.

Which makes one curious as to why you're even signed up for an intraconference message board and posting in the middle of April if you "don't care". I guess in your eyes places like these are about getting together in a family circle and patting each other on the back and wishing each other well in life and talking about the meaning of life. Good to note.

Of course no mention of the ISU fan who flat out told WSU fans to shut up. That's perfectly reasonable and goes perfect in line with your "it's just basketball" way of thinking. And clearly as fans, WSU fans have nothing to brag about or no room to talk when it comes to conference situations. Because Lord knows no other fanbase would be talking it up after a Final Four run. That's just not what fans do. They're supposed to be quiet, allow status quo, and just "go with the flow".

Thanks for the life lesson, Redbird fan.

[shoxrox]

DJA posts here for one reason, self inflated ego.

He can't peddle his tired routine on the catholic league board. CU probably the least NCAA success among them. Basketball budget isn't second best in league anymore. Omaha has got to be the smallest metro. Finally nobody will listen to his bull on academics over there.

It's obvious he derives self esteem based on others perception of his school. I would guess he can't throw out barbs insulting other people's education, city, athletic dept anymore. He needs this so he comes here. It's pathetic and tired, just ignore him.

Agreed, you summed his situation up perfectly. One last hurrah before he becomes the Big East's b*tch.

I'm sure most posters here will be relieved when and if that drivel is gone.