REPORT: Murray to the Valley?

[TheDrake]

If the Valley can survive and thrive after losing Creighton and Wichita, I think we'll be fine in the event that Missouri State decides to pursue their football dreams. I would feel bad for actual MSU basketball fans though.

[All-MVC Fan]

I still think moving to FBS is more about the egos of university presidents and athletic directors than anything else. Western Kentucky didn’t become a more sought after college destination once they moved. They spent A LOT more money, and I’m sure their president and AD felt better about themselves, but their standing in the world sure didn’t change much.

Have fun inflating your egos and pretending all that money spent is going to bring a reasonable ROI. I just can’t see it.

[BCPanther]

That still seems low. That's for everything? I would have thought we were getting at least $200-250K just for the strength of the brands in our conference and our performance. I really thought MVC content was worth more.

That's the number from the UNI annual report in 2019.

Not having football is a killer when it comes to sponsorship and rights fees.

I don't want to veer off topic too far here but the Valley holds the same grandfather clause that the WAC does in regards to going FBS as a group. I'd propose the football playing schools go FBS as a group, add Murray, WKU and MTSU and incentivize Drake to bring back scholarship football. You've got a super solid 9 team football league, none of the Dakota headaches and more money for everybody involved including the privates.

UNI, MSU, ISU, ISU, SIU, MuSU, Drake, WKU and MTSU is more than solid and then add Bradley, Loyola, Evansville, Belmont and Valpo and you're WAY better than the A10 in basketball.

[VUGrad1314]

That still seems low. That's for everything? I would have thought we were getting at least $200-250K just for the strength of the brands in our conference and our performance. I really thought MVC content was worth more.

That's the number from the UNI annual report in 2019.

Not having football is a killer when it comes to sponsorship and rights fees.

I don't want to veer off topic too far here but the Valley holds the same grandfather clause that the WAC does in regards to going FBS as a group. I'd propose the football playing schools go FBS as a group, add Murray, WKU and MTSU and incentivize Drake to bring back scholarship football. You've got a super solid 9 team football league, none of the Dakota headaches and more money for everybody involved including the privates.

UNI, MSU, ISU, ISU, SIU, MuSU, Drake, WKU and MTSU is more than solid and then add Bradley, Loyola, Evansville, Belmont and Valpo and you're WAY better than the A10 in basketball.

I'd be all for this if it were possible but if it were wouldn't it have been done already?

[BCPanther]

That still seems low. That's for everything? I would have thought we were getting at least $200-250K just for the strength of the brands in our conference and our performance. I really thought MVC content was worth more.

That's the number from the UNI annual report in 2019.

Not having football is a killer when it comes to sponsorship and rights fees.

I don't want to veer off topic too far here but the Valley holds the same grandfather clause that the WAC does in regards to going FBS as a group. I'd propose the football playing schools go FBS as a group, add Murray, WKU and MTSU and incentivize Drake to bring back scholarship football. You've got a super solid 9 team football league, none of the Dakota headaches and more money for everybody involved including the privates.

UNI, MSU, ISU, ISU, SIU, MuSU, Drake, WKU and MTSU is more than solid and then add Bradley, Loyola, Evansville, Belmont and Valpo and you're WAY better than the A10 in basketball.

I'd be all for this if it were possible but if it were wouldn't it have been done already?

I mean, the world has completely turned upside down in the last two weeks. Stuff that people hadn't even thought of is now seemingly on the table.

[VUGrad1314]

That's the number from the UNI annual report in 2019.

Not having football is a killer when it comes to sponsorship and rights fees.

I don't want to veer off topic too far here but the Valley holds the same grandfather clause that the WAC does in regards to going FBS as a group. I'd propose the football playing schools go FBS as a group, add Murray, WKU and MTSU and incentivize Drake to bring back scholarship football. You've got a super solid 9 team football league, none of the Dakota headaches and more money for everybody involved including the privates.

UNI, MSU, ISU, ISU, SIU, MuSU, Drake, WKU and MTSU is more than solid and then add Bradley, Loyola, Evansville, Belmont and Valpo and you're WAY better than the A10 in basketball.

I'd be all for this if it were possible but if it were wouldn't it have been done already?

I mean, the world has completely turned upside down in the last two weeks. Stuff that people hadn't even thought of is now seemingly on the table.[/quote]

It would be great if we could do this to stave off the CUSA poaching of Missouri State and add three very good programs to our ranks besides. I don't see it happening. I used to hope that CUSA would survive so that Murray State could find an affiliation so that they could join the MVC but now if it's going to cost us Missouri State ( especially with no guarantee of Murray State coming in to replace them) I'd rather somebody come in and deliver the final blow to CUSA by taking WKU and MTSU from the conference. If it could be us then that's all the better because we could get Murray State and still add even more basketball firepower while satisfying everyone's FBS dreams and making more money for everyone.

[SalukiWorld]

If the Valley can survive and thrive after losing Creighton and Wichita, I think we'll be fine in the event that Missouri State decides to pursue their football dreams. I would feel bad for actual MSU basketball fans though.

Losing a team that's underachieved for 2 decades and hasn't made the NCAA's since 1999 is easily replacable.

[VUGrad1314]

If the Valley can survive and thrive after losing Creighton and Wichita, I think we'll be fine in the event that Missouri State decides to pursue their football dreams. I would feel bad for actual MSU basketball fans though.

Losing a team that's underachieved for 2 decades and hasn't made the NCAA's since 1999 is easily replacable.

They've underachieved sure but they've been a consistent Q2 program most years. Most programs we could look to add we are hoping become Q2 programs. I fail to see how replacing one with another would make the league better. The only thing we'd be looking at is treading water and staying the same. That might be easy to do but actually getting better in light of this would be a taller order. Plus in other sports it's an obvious downgrade for the conference. I know those don't drive the revenue bus but it still matters from a prestige\pride standpoint.

[rally]

The money from the MVC media rights doesn't even cover the administrative costs of the conference. Net revenue for 2019-20 was $1.37 million, while payroll related costs alone were $1.63 million.

[Kip Dynamite]

As I have stated in an earlier post, I have no idea whether or not Missouri state is going to make a move this time around. However, I think some of you are delusional if you think that there’s not gonna be a lot more conference reshuffling in the next couple of years that will affect the MVC. I think we’re going to lose some private schools to places like the A-10 and the Big East. It’s a risk that you run with a bunch of small private Universities. I’m certainly not knocking them, I love being in a conference with them but it is reality.

I truly believe that the Bears Will be going to FBS if not this time around then the next time around. Most people around Springfield want to see it happen. Just my two cents worth.