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[rlh04d]

Your idea of a message board appears to be different than ours. Say some of these things on ours and expect a ban or something or at the very least chastized, so I wouldn't recommend it.

So the growing a thicker skin thing is out.

Go hide on your board then. I'm not being rude to you or insulting you personally. If you can't handle taunting of your team, then you should probably just hide somewhere that you can ban people who aren't glowingly positive of it. I don't live in the same city as any of the teams I cheer for anymore; I'm in the military and I'm surrounded by people who went to different colleges and cheer for different professional teams, and we all taunt each other mercilessly about our individual teams. But then we're adults and can handle it without breaking down in tears or wanting someone banned because they won't be nice to our team.

My idea of a message board is where people can discuss issues freely and, as long as they don't degenerate into personal attacks, can do so without threats of banning. So yes, we apparently have different ideas on that.

You kids need to stop taking internet ribbing about sports personally. Christ. Do you watch the news? There's plenty in this world to take seriously, and sports is not part of it. Grow. A. Thicker. Skin.

[pafan]

Illinois State and Evansville regularly show a perfect breaking even on their balance sheets for the basketball program, a regular trick for programs that lose money and have to transfer money over from other sources to balance them.

I'm certain that Evansville loses money on the athletics department as a whole. There is definitely a subsidy from UE's general fund to cover the loss in athletics.

Whether MBB individually is a profitable venture is not clear to me. It would be hard for me to allocate the $2.1 million budget only to MBB when our entire coaching staff is paid less than what coach Giacolletti will be making at Drake. I suspect that they account for some general services as "Men's basketball athletic trainer" or "men's basketball ticket sales" when in reality these same staff help out with women's soccer and baseball during the fall and spring...

[IllinoisState]

I am through so you have the last word.

I like when people try to get the last word by saying the other person can have the last word. As if the last three times you posted wasn't about trying to get the last word.

Look, I get what you guys are saying, but if you can't handle taunting from fans of other sports teams, you should probably reevaluate your decision to participate in a sports-themed internet forum. I will taunt MVC fans about WSU, I will taunt anyone about Florida State, I'll taunt baseball fans about the Braves start to this season ... when I move to Seattle next year, I'm sure I'll find a way to taunt people about the Mariners. I don't know how I'm going to do it yet, but I'll find a way. Hell, maybe I'll start watching Seattle U and try to find a way to taunt people about them. Bragging when your team is doing well is pretty much a foundation of what being a sports fan is about.

I mean, I know that being from Chicago you wouldn't know anything about that, but maybe you'll get a chance to learn one day

Seriously, get some thicker skin. The wonderful thing about sports is that you can literally make the stats say anything you want. Anyone can argue about sports. And it's a hell of a lot less serious than arguing about politics, so just find the stats that let you fight back and don't degenerate into this "you're just a meanie" stance.

Your idea of a message board appears to be different than ours. Say some of these things on ours and expect a ban or something or at the very least chastized, so I wouldn't recommend it.

You can't reason with a poster of this type.

[rlh04d]

You can't reason with a poster of this type.

[rlh04d]

Illinois State and Evansville regularly show a perfect breaking even on their balance sheets for the basketball program, a regular trick for programs that lose money and have to transfer money over from other sources to balance them.

I'm certain that Evansville loses money on the athletics department as a whole. There is definitely a subsidy from UE's general fund to cover the loss in athletics.

Whether MBB individually is a profitable venture is not clear to me. It would be hard for me to allocate the $2.1 million budget only to MBB when our entire coaching staff is paid less than what coach Giacolletti will be making at Drake. I suspect that they account for some general services as "Men's basketball athletic trainer" or "men's basketball ticket sales" when in reality these same staff help out with women's soccer and baseball during the fall and spring...

Unfortunately, the accounting for college athletics is a very tricky business, and tough to nail down for anyone.

I do know that Evansville's expenses for 2011 are listed at $2,133,520, though. I don't know if Evansville considers athletic trainers that double for other programs to be exclusively part of the basketball's books when they report the information to the DoE. However, Drake only had $2,226,291 in expenses in that same year. Evansville's basketball-related expenses were also growing faster than Drake's to that point. Of course the last numbers are from 2011, though, and Giacoletti's salary obviously isn't included in that.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Many of the teams in this conference are losing money from their basketball teams despite averaging more than double the amount of fans Loyola does.

I don't buy bolded part of this for one second.

http://shockernet.net/forum/showthread. ... the-Valley

I don't care what you buy. There's the numbers, budgets in post #4. I feel like we've done this before where you call me out for your gut feeling and I prove you wrong with the actual numbers. You never seem to respond again after that. Interesting.

Bradley has taken a loss in two of the last three years to 2011 (last year the Department of Education has stats). Creighton lost money on their basketball program in 2009. SIU lost $750k that same year. Drake has lost money for three straight years.

Illinois State and Evansville regularly show a perfect breaking even on their balance sheets for the basketball program, a regular trick for programs that lose money and have to transfer money over from other sources to balance them. By 2011 UNI, SIU, and Indiana State had also picked up that trick. The only other possibility is that they're profitable but moving profits over to pay for other sports ... but based on their attendance numbers, I doubt it.

Generally speaking, the numbers match up with attendance figures, where the teams with the worst attendance draw the last amount of revenue. Which is pretty much common sense. The only team that breaks that mold is Bradley with 7700 fans or so on average, but Bradley also has the third highest basketball budget in the conference making up for that.

I don't care what the numbers you cite say, I am questioning their veracity on the whole.

For example, there is no way on God's green earth that Creighton LOST money on basketball in 2009. Basketball revenues fund the entire athletic department. If basketball really lost money, the entire department would have been ridiculously under water, which it obviously was not.

Your problem is that you see numbers printed somewhere and automatically accept them as gospel. When evaluating athletic numbers, you have to understand there is a lot of grey. Creighton's AD even stated such on the record a few weeks ago in the OWH when a comparison of BE budgets was published.

[shoxrox]

No - just you. Well, I guess you really aren't an exploiter - just a braggart over something you had nothing to do with. Your total lack of manners in the way you treat other people here at this forum just because of the team you support makes you nothing special; just a boorish brute.

Now go ahead and sling back another one of your patented taunts - you know the kind that you treat other people here at the forum with just because of the team you support vs the team they support. I am through so you have the last word. I'm sure it will be special.

You're just mad.

Lack of manners? LOL! Yeah, because everyone else here are perrrrfect angels, including the Illinois State poster who originally had a very nice angle at manners at telling people to shut up. How come you weren't jumping on him? Oh that's right. It's because he was an Illinois State fan. And I'm a Wichita State fan. I zinged a slam onto Illinois State and you got upset about it and started crying.

And now here we are, daring me to continue on, while you continue to respond each and every time.

Come on.. you want the last word bad enough. That's what I love about people like you. You end up being the one that can't stop typing in the end. That's the funniest part.

[IllinoisState]

I don't buy bolded part of this for one second.

http://shockernet.net/forum/showthread. ... the-Valley

I don't care what you buy. There's the numbers, budgets in post #4. I feel like we've done this before where you call me out for your gut feeling and I prove you wrong with the actual numbers. You never seem to respond again after that. Interesting.

Bradley has taken a loss in two of the last three years to 2011 (last year the Department of Education has stats). Creighton lost money on their basketball program in 2009. SIU lost $750k that same year. Drake has lost money for three straight years.

Illinois State and Evansville regularly show a perfect breaking even on their balance sheets for the basketball program, a regular trick for programs that lose money and have to transfer money over from other sources to balance them. By 2011 UNI, SIU, and Indiana State had also picked up that trick. The only other possibility is that they're profitable but moving profits over to pay for other sports ... but based on their attendance numbers, I doubt it.

Generally speaking, the numbers match up with attendance figures, where the teams with the worst attendance draw the last amount of revenue. Which is pretty much common sense. The only team that breaks that mold is Bradley with 7700 fans or so on average, but Bradley also has the third highest basketball budget in the conference making up for that.

I don't care what the numbers you cite say, I am questioning their veracity on the whole.

For example, there is no way on God's green earth that Creighton LOST money on basketball in 2009. Basketball revenues fund the entire athletic department. If basketball really lost money, the entire department would have been ridiculously under water, which it obviously was not.

Your problem is that you see numbers printed somewhere and automatically accept them as gospel. When evaluating athletic numbers, you have to understand there is a lot of grey. Creighton's AD even stated such on the record a few weeks ago in the OWH when a comparison of BE budgets was published.

Why check for real numbers when you found ones that you wanted to read?

[shoxrox]

I'm sure most posters here will be relieved when and if that drivel is gone.

ROTFLMAO! Yeah, because everyone here just LOVES you and your tremendous insight! Hell, you are in about three shouting matches on this board right now!

How many screen names have you been through? ...and yet you still haven't fooled anybody.

Now you're getting mad, and you don't even have a team that belongs here anymore. You're gonna have major issues on the Big East board, especially when Creighton becomes the new Evansville over there.

3 shouting matches on this board? Ooooh. Where? I wanna see! Come on. Tell me about all 3 of them because you would never exaggerate anything, you insecure little lawyer you.

[shoxrox]

And like I said, 15 years of mediocrity and underachieving will do that to a fan. I expect that. When (or if) you ever exceed expectations, you'll feel differently. Losing and mediocrity doesn't breed arrogance buddy.

And I don't see what was so arrogant about my post. A Redbird fan FIRST told WSU fans to shut up and I countered with my superior response. Fans typically respond this way, especially on message boards.

And please don't act like Illinois State fans are all in line with your holy plan.

Apparantly, you've never been to or watched a sporting event outside of Redbird Arena before.

Suck it up. The winner goes the spoils, the loser mellows and takes it. If you can't stand my one responsitory remark, then either you've ignored this site for its 3 years of existence or are incredibly in need of some testosterone. Or you could just leave the whole sports fan board hysteria altogether and do something more rewarding in life, like picking up litter or something.

It's actually because a good number of us ISU students and alums are from the Chicago area where there is a lot to do unlike Wichita unless you like staring at corn fields and milking cows. So there is more for us to do and have our minds set on. There is simply much more to do in Chicago than Wichita which the Shockers will find out when they travel to Loyola next year. In addition, ISU has football even though it is only FCS so we don't have to wait the whole year for one sport so there is more to set our minds to. Most people at ISU like basketball more, but at least we have football to keep ourselves busy with in the mean time.

You have bad manners. But it's ok. jw123 will be sure to call you out on it! Just you wait!

You definitely would need something to do up there in the cosmopolitan life after the years of ownage WSU has bestowed on your now pitiful excuse for a basketball school.