Transfer Portal 2023

[Drakey]

There is no way you can bring in more talent than you lose over the long term, other than bringing in more players you will lose. You can get lucky by getting a power 6 transfer who wants more playing time, but I think that is going to be come less common as the power 6 schools can pay them more to sit on the bench than we can to play. This pay for play system is clearly detrimental to conferences like the Valley, and probably much more detrimental to the Valley than to most conferences. I'm guessing without knowing that the Valley has lost more players to P^ schools than any other conference. Most mi-major or low-major conferences do not have the level of players that the Valley has to poach. Our players leave and we replace them with players from the lower level conferences. This is NOT coaches.

[tribecalledquest]

There is no way you can bring in more talent than you lose over the long term, other than bringing in more players you will lose. You can get lucky by getting a power 6 transfer who wants more playing time, but I think that is going to be come less common as the power 6 schools can pay them more to sit on the bench than we can to play. This pay for play system is clearly detrimental to conferences like the Valley, and probably much more detrimental to the Valley than to most conferences. I'm guessing without knowing that the Valley has lost more players to P^ schools than any other conference. Most mi-major or low-major conferences do not have the level of players that the Valley has to poach. Our players leave and we replace them with players from the lower level conferences. This is NOT coaches.

Again. San Diego State and Florida Atlantic just played in the Final Four.

Let's stop with the crying and excuses.

[Kyle_Saluki_17]

There is no way you can bring in more talent than you lose over the long term, other than bringing in more players you will lose. You can get lucky by getting a power 6 transfer who wants more playing time, but I think that is going to be come less common as the power 6 schools can pay them more to sit on the bench than we can to play. This pay for play system is clearly detrimental to conferences like the Valley, and probably much more detrimental to the Valley than to most conferences. I'm guessing without knowing that the Valley has lost more players to P^ schools than any other conference. Most mi-major or low-major conferences do not have the level of players that the Valley has to poach. Our players leave and we replace them with players from the lower level conferences. This is NOT coaches.

Again. San Diego State and Florida Atlantic just played in the Final Four.

Let's stop with the crying and excuses.

And wasn’t the amount of mid majors making the tournament at an all time low? Just because a couple performed exceptionally well, doesn’t mean the system benefits them the slightest bit. It’s an outlier.

[ColonialBulldog]

The NIL contracts aren't with the school. That's the whole point of NIL. It's to get kids paid without the schools having to pony up.

True. But a lot of these big time NIL contracts have exclusivity provisions. Meaning they can't sign any other NIL deals. You're already seeing kids asking for a release from an NIL much like you would see with an LOI.

[ColonialBulldog]

There is no way you can bring in more talent than you lose over the long term, other than bringing in more players you will lose. You can get lucky by getting a power 6 transfer who wants more playing time, but I think that is going to be come less common as the power 6 schools can pay them more to sit on the bench than we can to play. This pay for play system is clearly detrimental to conferences like the Valley, and probably much more detrimental to the Valley than to most conferences. I'm guessing without knowing that the Valley has lost more players to P^ schools than any other conference. Most mi-major or low-major conferences do not have the level of players that the Valley has to poach. Our players leave and we replace them with players from the lower level conferences. This is NOT coaches.

You might be correct, but I'm not sure I agree. My gut says the overwhelming majority of college athletes are going to prioritize playing time over NIL money. Obviously I could be wrong, but the money would have to be really really really good to ride the bench.

Also, small sample size but who is better talentwise in the Devries era if you compare a hypothetical portal team of arrivals and departures? It's pretty damn close if you ask me. Actually this year will probably tip the scales heavily towards arrivals. I certainly don't think Drake is a team at a net loss for talent brought in vs. talent departing.

[tribecalledquest]

There is no way you can bring in more talent than you lose over the long term, other than bringing in more players you will lose. You can get lucky by getting a power 6 transfer who wants more playing time, but I think that is going to be come less common as the power 6 schools can pay them more to sit on the bench than we can to play. This pay for play system is clearly detrimental to conferences like the Valley, and probably much more detrimental to the Valley than to most conferences. I'm guessing without knowing that the Valley has lost more players to P^ schools than any other conference. Most mi-major or low-major conferences do not have the level of players that the Valley has to poach. Our players leave and we replace them with players from the lower level conferences. This is NOT coaches.

Again. San Diego State and Florida Atlantic just played in the Final Four.

Let's stop with the crying and excuses.

And wasn’t the amount of mid majors making the tournament at an all time low? Just because a couple performed exceptionally well, doesn’t mean the system benefits them the slightest bit. It’s an outlier.

I never said the system benefitted them.

The system is the same for every team, at every level. It isn't any harder for MVC teams. It just isn't. If they lose a player they just go get one.

The system is different. Different doesn't mean it's more unfair.

[tribecalledquest]

There is no way you can bring in more talent than you lose over the long term, other than bringing in more players you will lose. You can get lucky by getting a power 6 transfer who wants more playing time, but I think that is going to be come less common as the power 6 schools can pay them more to sit on the bench than we can to play. This pay for play system is clearly detrimental to conferences like the Valley, and probably much more detrimental to the Valley than to most conferences. I'm guessing without knowing that the Valley has lost more players to P^ schools than any other conference. Most mi-major or low-major conferences do not have the level of players that the Valley has to poach. Our players leave and we replace them with players from the lower level conferences. This is NOT coaches.

You might be correct, but I'm not sure I agree. My gut says the overwhelming majority of college athletes are going to prioritize playing time over NIL money. Obviously I could be wrong, but the money would have to be really really really good to ride the bench.

Also, small sample size but who is better talentwise in the Devries era if you compare a hypothetical portal team of arrivals and departures? It's pretty damn close if you ask me. Actually this year will probably tip the scales heavily towards arrivals. I certainly don't think Drake is a team at a net loss for talent brought in vs. talent departing.

Almost 80% of men's D1 players DONT transfers. And of the 20% who do - the vast majority were guys who weren't playing and averaged under 3.0 PPG.

[DUBulldog]

There is no way you can bring in more talent than you lose over the long term, other than bringing in more players you will lose. You can get lucky by getting a power 6 transfer who wants more playing time, but I think that is going to be come less common as the power 6 schools can pay them more to sit on the bench than we can to play. This pay for play system is clearly detrimental to conferences like the Valley, and probably much more detrimental to the Valley than to most conferences. I'm guessing without knowing that the Valley has lost more players to P^ schools than any other conference. Most mi-major or low-major conferences do not have the level of players that the Valley has to poach. Our players leave and we replace them with players from the lower level conferences. This is NOT coaches.

You might be correct, but I'm not sure I agree. My gut says the overwhelming majority of college athletes are going to prioritize playing time over NIL money. Obviously I could be wrong, but the money would have to be really really really good to ride the bench.

Also, small sample size but who is better talentwise in the Devries era if you compare a hypothetical portal team of arrivals and departures? It's pretty damn close if you ask me. Actually this year will probably tip the scales heavily towards arrivals. I certainly don't think Drake is a team at a net loss for talent brought in vs. talent departing.

Almost 80% of men's D1 players DONT transfers. And of the 20% who do - the vast majority were guys who weren't playing and averaged under 3.0 PPG.

I'm not disagreeing with premise necessarily, but I do disagree with your numbers. Right now, 32% of all D1 players are in the portal.

[tribecalledquest]

I'm not disagreeing with premise necessarily, but I do disagree with your numbers. Right now, 32% of all D1 players are in the portal.

Thanks. Last I saw a couple days ago was a tweet that it was just over 20%.

It is mostly bad players who are transferring. At least bad at the level they were currently playing.

[BuBrave2006]

I'm not disagreeing with premise necessarily, but I do disagree with your numbers. Right now, 32% of all D1 players are in the portal.

Thanks. Last I saw a couple days ago was a tweet that it was just over 20%.

It is mostly bad players who are transferring. At least bad at the level they were currently playing.

But you can't have it both ways. You can't say "just go get another player" and also say that most of the players in the portal are bad.