Counzo Martin new Tennessee Vols coach

[MoValley John]

Why is Bearnation private? I don't understand that at all.

[getreal4]

will be interesting to see if the Bears go cheap again on the next coach.

[PeKaph]

You're not right. In fact, you're deluded if you believe this has something to do with Barry Hinson. It has everything to do with money, and no MSU fan with a brain curses Martin for that at all. We can't pay a head coach $1.5M/yr, which is what he's getting. The program's entire yearly BUDGET is only $2.6M. At this level, you have one of two choices: either you keep your coach three-five years and he's great, or you keep him forever because he isn't any good. Cuonzo was the former. Barry was the latter. Next man in.

[uniftw]

You're not right. In fact, you're deluded if you believe this has something to do with Barry Hinson. It has everything to do with money, and no MSU fan with a brain curses Martin for that at all. We can't pay a head coach $1.5M/yr, which is what he's getting. The program's entire yearly BUDGET is only $2.6M. At this level, you have one of two choices: either you keep your coach three-five years and he's great, or you keep him forever because he isn't any good. Cuonzo was the former. Barry was the latter. Next man in.

Outside of the regular season title what is the real difference between the results of the Hinson era and the Cuonzo era?

Be honest about this.

[pafan]

It seems like UT fans aren't quite as excited about Cuonzo as their new coach as some of us would like.

Who is running our AD?
Our rivals boosters?
really?

What an absolute joke! This is the coach? This guy? What the heck makes him qualified to be the BB coach at UT? Good call Hammy! Why wait around til the end of the tourney to even make a run at a more qualified guy. Let's just hire the first guy to accept the job. You should have called me first.

I cherry picked a few of the negative comments, but even the positive ones are only cautiously optimistic.

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/mar ... all-coach/

[MoValley John]

[quote="PeKaph"]You're not right. In fact, you're deluded if you believe this has something to do with Barry Hinson. It has everything to do with money, and no MSU fan with a brain curses Martin for that at all. We can't pay a head coach $1.5M/yr, which is what he's getting. The program's entire yearly BUDGET is only $2.6M. At this level, you have one of two choices: either you keep your coach three-five years and he's great, or you keep him forever because he isn't any good. Cuonzo was the former. Barry was the latter. Next man in.[/quote]

And how did Creighton keep Dana Altman so long? They do pay the most in the Valley, but not by much. And they can't pay what the big schools pay. But they did pay him what he was worth and enough to make him second guess jumping. During the time I was in Omaha, I know of eight BCS offers, well above what Altman was making at Creighton, that he turned down. The fans also never treated him poorly following a few down seasons. There was some grumbling, but never the direspect Bears fans showed to Hinson.

Dana Altman left Creighton not because it was his first shot out of town, but because based on his Arkansas debacle and his teams trending downward, he figured it was his last shot out of town. Lesser budget schools can keep coaches longer than three years, but expectations need to be in balance, as does a huge dose of reality.

Missouri State doesn't need to pay a million a year, but they better pay enough to make a coach feel comfortable staying. And when you only pay in the 20%-30% range of your league, expecting a coach to always win makes him look for the next train out. When Missouri State started flashing $600,000, Cuonzo knew that was all the better it would ever get. And he also knew how fast the fans could turn.

But like you said, if you guys are happy with the three or four years and out, have at it. Some of your coaches through the revoving door will be utter flops.

[MoValley John]

[quote="uniftw"][quote="PeKaph"]You're not right. In fact, you're deluded if you believe this has something to do with Barry Hinson. It has everything to do with money, and no MSU fan with a brain curses Martin for that at all. We can't pay a head coach $1.5M/yr, which is what he's getting. The program's entire yearly BUDGET is only $2.6M. At this level, you have one of two choices: either you keep your coach three-five years and he's great, or you keep him forever because he isn't any good. Cuonzo was the former. Barry was the latter. Next man in.[/quote]
Outside of the regular season title what is the real difference between the results of the Hinson era and the Cuonzo era?

Be honest about this.[/quote]

The truth is absolutely nothing. Excfept for the fact that Hinson was winning when the Valley was tough as nails top to bottom.

[uniftw]

It seems like UT fans aren't quite as excited about Cuonzo as their new coach as some of us would like.

Who is running our AD?
Our rivals boosters?
really?

What an absolute joke! This is the coach? This guy? What the heck makes him qualified to be the BB coach at UT? Good call Hammy! Why wait around til the end of the tourney to even make a run at a more qualified guy. Let's just hire the first guy to accept the job. You should have called me first.

I cherry picked a few of the negative comments, but even the positive ones are only cautiously optimistic.

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/mar ... all-coach/

Honestly, what has Martin proven that he can be successful at UT? What is the difference between Martin and Hinson other than one conference regular season title?

Hell, McDermott and Marshal have far superior resumes...I'd even suggest to you that Jacobson has a better resume

[PeKaph]

You're not right. In fact, you're deluded if you believe this has something to do with Barry Hinson. It has everything to do with money, and no MSU fan with a brain curses Martin for that at all. We can't pay a head coach $1.5M/yr, which is what he's getting. The program's entire yearly BUDGET is only $2.6M. At this level, you have one of two choices: either you keep your coach three-five years and he's great, or you keep him forever because he isn't any good. Cuonzo was the former. Barry was the latter. Next man in.

Outside of the regular season title what is the real difference between the results of the Hinson era and the Cuonzo era?

Be honest about this.

That's like asking, "Outside of the swan being black, why is a black swan unique?" That IS the difference. And it makes all of the difference in the world.

[bleach]

Cuonzo is a winner! Pure and simple, he inspires confidence and belief. Barry had none of that.