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Postby MoValley John » September 29th, 2011, 3:44 pm

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MoValley John wrote:Think what you want, but UNI is not the dominant name in Iowa higher education.

Really as an education major and someone who is highly involved in the university and reach-out programs to the other state schools, that is news to me. UNI is still one of the tops in the Midwest for education and they were once again ranked as the #2 regional university for the Midwest. The situation you alluded to would be a major problem to any public university, not just UNI. I'm not saying we're sitting on a pot of gold but the idea that we are in a serious financial situation that afflicts no one else is just plain ignorant.


This would explain a lot. Poor grammar aside, you are an education major from a state school. Your school is the premier "education" school in the state. You translate or project (a better word) that UNI being the dominant teaching school in Iowa equates to being the dominant school in Iowa higher education. You neglect to tell me where most of the doctors, lawyers, dentists, politicians and business majors come from. Not UNI. In fact, many farmers and those heavily involved in Iowa agriculture often come from Iowa State. Higher education is not only about being the school that teaches public school teachers, but educating people in their professional life, teaching is only one career path. A poorly funded one at that. I would feel much better about UNI's future if there was a pipeline of higher paying alumni, those with the means to drop thousands of dollars a year on their beloved alma mater's athletic program. Being a member of the Iowa Education Association doesn't leave a lot of excess in the checkbook for UNI athletics.

Here is a list of UNI's graduate programs:
Master of Accounting
Master of Arts
Master of Arts in Education
Master of Business Administration
Master of Music
Master of Public Policy
Master of Science
Master of Social Work
Professional Science Master's Degree
Specialist in Education
Doctor of Education
Doctor of Industrial Technology


Not a lot of fluff in that. In comparison, here is the list of graduate programs at Iowa State:

•Accounting
•Aerospace Engineering
•Agricultural Economics
•Agricultural Education
•Agricultural Engineering
•Agricultural History and Rural Studies
•Agricultural Meteorology
•Agronomy
•Analytical Chemistry
•Animal Breeding and Genetics
•Animal Physiology
•Animal Science
•Anthropology
•Apparel, Merchandising, and Design
•Applied Linguistics and Technology
•Applied Mathematics
•Applied Physics
•Architecture
•Art and Design
•Astrophysics
•Biochemistry
•Bioinformatics and Computational Biology
•Biomedical Sciences
•Biophysics
•Biorenewable Resources and Technology
•Business Administration
•Business and Technology (PhD)
•Chemical Engineering
•Chemistry
•Civil Engineering
•Community and Regional Planning
•Computer Engineering
•Computer Science
•Condensed Matter Physics
•Creative Writing and Environment
•Crop Production and Physiology
•Diet and Exercise
•Earth Science

•Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
•Economics
•Education - Curriculum and Instruction
•Education - Educational Leadership and Policy Studies
•Electrical Engineering
•Engineering Mechanics
•English
•Entomology
•Environmental Science
•Family and Consumer Sciences
•Fisheries Biology
•Food Science and Technology
•Forestry
•Genetics
•Geology
•Graphic Design
•High Energy Physics
•History
•History of Technology and Science
•Horticulture
•Hospitality Management
•Human Computer Interaction
•Human Development and Family Studies
•Immunobiology
•Industrial and Agricultural Technology
•Industrial Design
•Industrial Engineering
•Information Assurance
•Information Systems
•Inorganic Chemistry
•Integrated Visual Arts
•Interdisciplinary Graduate Studies
•Interior Design
•Journalism and Mass Communication
•Kinesiology
•Landscape Architecture
•Materials Science and Engineering
•Mathematics

•Meat Science
•Mechanical Engineering
•Meteorology
•Microbiology
•Molecular, Cellular and Developmental Biology
•Neuroscience
•Nuclear Physics
•Nutritional Sciences
•Organic Chemistry
•Physical Chemistry
•Physics
•Plant Biology
•Plant Breeding
•Plant Pathology
•Political Science
•Professional Agriculture
•Psychology
•Public Administration
•Rhetoric and Professional Communication
•Rhetoric, Composition, and Professional Communication
•Rural Sociology
•School Mathematics
•Science Education
•Seed Technology and Business
•Sociology
•Soil Science
•Statistics
•Sustainable Agriculture
•Systems Engineering
•Teaching English as a Second Language/Applied Linguistics
•Toxicology
•Transportation
•Veterinary Clinical Sciences
•Veterinary Microbiology
•Veterinary Pathology
•Veterinary Preventive Medicine
•Wildlife Ecology


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Graduate Certificates



•Advanced Medical Nutrition Therapy Certificate
•Applied Research Methods in the Human Sciences
•Community College Leadership Certification
•Community College Teaching Certificate
•Computational Fluid Dynamics
•Computer Networking
•Construction Management
•Dietetics Communication and Counseling
•Dietetics Internship
•Dietetics Management Certificate
•Embedded Systems
•Entrepreneurship and Innovation
•Enviromental Systems

•Environmental Engineering Graduate Certificate
•Family Financial Planning Certificate
•Food Safety and Defense
•Forensic Sciences
•Geographic Information Systems (GIS) Certificate
•Gerontology Certificate
•Human Computer Interaction Certificate
•Information Assurance Certificate
•Instructional Design
•Power Systems Engineering Graduate Certificate
•Principal Licensure--PreLEAD Certificate
•Public Management Certificate

•Quantitative Psychology
•Seed Business Management
•Seed Science and Technology
•Social Justice in Higher Education
•Software Systems
•Special Education Certificate
•Student Affairs
•Superintendent Licensure--Certificate of Advanced Studies (CAS)
•Systems Engineering Certificate
•Teaching English as a Second Language/Teaching English as a Foreign Language
•Veterinary Preventive Medicine

I won't even try to compare UNI to the University of Iowa.
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Postby unipanther99 » September 29th, 2011, 3:51 pm

You really don't want to be in the room to see an Iowa State grad student defend his Animal Breeding and Genetics thesis.
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Postby MoValley John » September 29th, 2011, 3:56 pm

I changed my mind, I will compare UNI with the University of Iowa.

UNI graduate programs:
Master of Accounting
Master of Arts
Master of Arts in Education
Master of Business Administration
Master of Music
Master of Public Policy
Master of Science
Master of Social Work
Professional Science Master's Degree
Specialist in Education
Doctor of Education
Doctor of Industrial Technology


University of Iowa graduate programs:
A
Accounting | MAc**, PhD
Acting | MFA in Theatre Arts
Actuarial Science | MS*
African American World Studies | MA*
American Studies | MA*, PhD
Anatomy and Cell Biology | PhD
Anthropology | MA*, PhD
Applied Mathematical & Computational Sciences | PhD
Art | MA*, MFA
Art Education | MA, PhD
Art History | MA*, PhD
Asian Civilization | MA*
Astronomy | MS*
B
Biochemical Engineering | See Chemical & Biochemical Engineering.
Biochemistry | MS, PhD
Biology | MS*, PhD
Biomedical Engineering | MS*, PhD
Biophysics | See Physiology & Biophysics
Biosciences |PhD
Biostatistics | MS*, PhD
Book Arts | MFA
Business | MBA Also see Accounting, Economics, Finance, Management & Organizations, Management Sciences, or Marketing. Click here for an overview of the graduate offerings in the Tippie College of Business.
C
Center for the Book | MFA in Book Arts
Chemical & Biochemical Engineering | MS*, PhD
Chemistry | MS*, PhD
Civil & Environmental Engineering | MS*, PhD
Classics | MA**, PhD
Clinical Investigation | MS*
Communication Sciences & Disorders | MA, AuD, PhD
Communication Studies | MA*, PhD
Community & Behavioral Health | MS, PhD
Comparative Literature | PhD
Comparative Literature/Translation | MFA
Computer Engineering | See Electrical & Computer Engineering
Computer Science | MCS**, MS*, PhD
Counseling Psychology | PhD
Counselor Education & Supervision | PhD
Creative Writing | MFA
Curriculum & Supervision (Education) | MA*, PhD
D
Dance | MFA
Dental Public Health | MS
Dentistry | DDS Also see Dental Public Health, Endodontics, Operative Dentistry, Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery, Oral Science, Orthodontics, Pediatric Dentistry, Periodontics, Prosthodontics, or Stomatology. Click here for a complete list of graduate offerings in the College of Dentistry.
Design | MFA in Theatre Arts
Developmental Reading (Education) | MA*
Dietetic Internship Program | Preparation for Licensure
Directing | MFA in Theatre Arts
Dramaturgy | MFA in Theatre Arts
E
Economics | PhD
Education | Click here for a complete list of Graduate Programs in Education.
Educational Leadership | MA**, EdS**, PhD
Educational Measurement & Statistics | MA*, PhD
Educational Psychology | MA*, PhD
Electrical & Computer Engineering | MS*, PhD
Endodontics | Certificate
Engineering—See Biomedical Engineering, Chemical and Biochemical Engineering, Civil & Environmental Engineering, Electrical & Computer Engineering, Industrial Engineering, or Mechanical Engineering. Click here for a complete list of graduate offerings in the College of Engineering.
English Education | MA**, MAT **
English-Creative Writing | MFA
English-Literary Studies | MA*, PhD
English-Nonfiction Writing | MFA
Environmental Engineering—See Civil & Environmental Engineering.
Environmental Health—See Occupational & Environmental Health.
Epidemiology | MS*, PhD
Exercise Science | MS* See Integrative Physiology for PhD program.
F
Film & Video Production | MFA
Film Studies | MA*, PhD
Finance | PhD
Foreign Language & ESL Education | MA*, MAT**, PhD
Free Radical & Radiation Biology | MS*, PhD
French & Francophone World Studies | MA*, PhD
G
Genetics | PhD
Geography | MA*, PhD
Geoscience | MS*, PhD
German | MA*, PhD
Greek | MA**
H
Health Management & Policy | MHA**
Health & Sport Studies | MA
Health Services & Policy | PhD
Higher Education & Student Affairs | MA**, EdS**, PhD
History | MA, PhD
Human Toxicology | PhD
I
Immunology | PhD
Industrial Engineering | MS*, PhD
Informatics | MS, PhD
Integrative Physiology | PhD See Exercise Science for MS programs.
International and Comparative Law | LLM
International Studies | MA
J-K
Journalism | MA
L
Language, Literacy & Culture (Education) | PhD
Latin | MA**
Law | JD, LLM Click here for an overview of offerings in the College of Law.
Leisure Studies | MA*
Library & Information Science | MA*
Linguistics | MA*, PhD
Literary Studies | MA*, PhD
M
Management & Organizations | PhD
Management Sciences | PhD
Marketing | PhD
Mass Communication | PhD
Mathematics | MS*, PhD
Mathematics Education | MA**, PhD
MBA | See Business.
Mechanical Engineering | MS*, PhD
Medical Education | MME
Medicine | MD Also see Anatomy & Cell Biology, Biochemistry, Biosciences, Free Radical and Radiation Biology, Genetics, Human Toxicology, Immunology, Microbiology, Molecular Biology, Neuroscience, Pathology, Pharmacology, Physical Rehabilitation Science, Physical Therapy, Physician Assistant Program, Physiology & Biophysics, or Translational Biomedicine. Click here for an overview of graduate offerings in the Carver College of Medicine.
Microbiology | PhD
Molecular & Cellular Biology | PhD
Molecular Physiology & Biophysics | MS*, PhD
Music | MA*, MFA, DMA, PhD
Music Education | MA, PhD
N
Neuroscience | PhD
Nonfiction Writing | MFA
Nursing | MSN-CNL, PhD, DNP Click here for an overview of offerings in the College of Nursing.
O
Occupational & Environmental Health | MS, PhD
Operative Dentistry | MS
Oral & Maxillofacial Pathology | Certificate
Oral & Maxillofacial Radiology | Certificate
Oral Science | MS, PhD
Orthodontics | MS
P
Pathology | MS
Pediatric Dentistry | Certificate
Periodontics | Certificate
Pharmacology | MS, PhD
Pharmacy | PharmD, MS*, PhD Click here for an overview of the offerings in the College of Pharmacy.
Philosophy | MA*, PhD
Physical Rehabilitation Science | PhD
Physical Therapy | DPT**
Physician Assistant Studies Program | MPA**
Physics | MS*, PhD
Physiology & Biophysics | See Molecular Physiology & Biophysics.
Playwriting | MFA in Theatre Arts
Political Science | MA*, PhD
Prosthodontics | Certificate
Psychology | PhD
Public Health | MPH** Also see Biostatistics, Clinical Investigation, Community & Behavioral Health, Epidemiology, Health Management & Policy, Health Services & Policy, and Occupational & Environmental Health. Click here for an overview of program offerings in the College of Public Health.
Q-R
Rehabilitation & Mental Health Counseling | MA**
Rehabilitation Counselor Education | PhD
Religious Studies | MA*, PhD
S
School Counseling | MA*
School Curriculum & Assessment Policy | EdS**
School Psychology | PhD
Schools, Culture, & Society | MA*, PhD
Science Education | MS, MAT**, PhD
Second Language Acquisition | PhD
Secondary Education | See Education.
Social Studies Education | MA*, PhD
Social Work | MSW*, PhD
Sociology | MA*, PhD
Spanish | MA**, PhD
Special Education | MA*, PhD
Speech & Hearing Science | PhD
Speech Pathology & Audiology | MA*, AuD
Stage Management | MFA in Theatre Arts
Statistics | MS*, PhD
T
Theatre Arts | MFA Also see acting, design, directing, dramaturgy, playwriting, and stage management.
Translational Biomedicine | MS*, PhD
U
Urban & Regional Planning | MA*, MS*

I know that not all schools offer a full array of masters and doctoral programs. That said, it can be indicative of the undergraduate programs in which a school excels. With these lists, there is no way anybody could try to argue that UNI is the dominant school in Iowa higher education. UNI is who we thought they were.
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Postby MoValley John » September 29th, 2011, 3:58 pm

unipanther99 wrote:You really don't want to be in the room to see an Iowa State grad student defend his Animal Breeding and Genetics thesis.


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Why don't we have a LOL or ROLMAO smiley? That was comic gold, uni!!!!
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Postby valleychamp » September 29th, 2011, 4:21 pm

DoubleJayAlum wrote:When it comes to recruiting, perception is reality. When schools you're recruiting against can literally hand out copies of newspaper stories where UNI's AD discussed the possibility of dropping down to D2, it ain't good.


Meanwhile, in the midst of this horrifying crisis, UNI signed one of its better classes, maybe ever. :o
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Postby LJay » September 29th, 2011, 5:28 pm

valleychamp wrote:Meanwhile, in the midst of this horrifying crisis, UNI signed one of its better classes, maybe ever. :o


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Postby glm38 » September 29th, 2011, 7:57 pm

I'd like to apologize to the UNI fans on our forum. I never would have posted this preview article if I would have thought it would have devolved into a discussion of UNI's financial problems (whether they are relevant or not). There are some on here that just can't resist trying to pick apart a rival MVC school.

While it's probably true that UNI, MSU, and other public universities are more vulnerable to downturns in the economy anyone that thinks the other schools are immune to national economic factors is sadly mistaken.
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Postby Aargh » September 30th, 2011, 12:22 am

No need to apologize for bringing up a legitimate article that links to some quotes from UNI's AD.

UNI fans need to realize that those quotes aren't going away just because they're a year old.

MVJ pointed out that UNI seems to be mostly a teacher's college. That's a real limited source for alumni funding, which is a valid discussion point for any athletic discussions.

I've got to give kudos to UNI. They are the school that has done the most with the least when it comes to athletic budgets. UNI's budget problems may be a concern to Valley fans, but I'd wager that most HS seniors don't grasp the economic principles we've discussed. Recruiting is unlikely to be a factor unless UNI is recruiting against Harvard or Stanford.
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Postby unipanther99 » September 30th, 2011, 8:03 am

Argh- Did you actually click the links? The first talks about cuts to academic programs and the second is another piece by the same blogger making the point that UNI should remain a D-1 athletic program --- the position that was reaffirmed by the board of regents last year.

If there is a quote out there of our AD saying D-2 is a legitimate option for UNI, I'd love to see it.
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Postby Aargh » September 30th, 2011, 9:11 am

The state of Iowa requested a response from athletic departments asking them for ways to be self-sustaining. In UNI's case, that would have meant the loss of state funding of $4.1 million. UNI's response included the possibility that the loss of state funding would jeopardize the entire athletic department at UNI, and could result in UNI dropping athletics. Dropping to D2 was not an option mentioned in the response to the state request for information.

The links were on the old ValleyTalk forum. They were widely read and discussed in that forum. The possibility of UNI dropping athletics if Iowa cut off funding was raised by officials at UNI. I don't specifically recall if it was the President or the athletic director who responded to the request for information.

I doubt there are any working links that contain that information. It was news a while ago, but news stories don't live forever in cyberspace. The fact that UNI said it will have a longer life.
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