Occupy Terre Haute

[Altheexpert]

As an ISU fan, I apologize for the silliness of several of our youngsters who, by the way, never shut up on the State site either. It's pretty tough to ever get into a decent discussion there either.

Jake is a decent point guard, and I'd actually say our team looks like it may be better than least year's club. Crieghton is the class of the MVC (from what I've seen so far), and McD is the best player out there.

Having said that I still like our chances...if Jake can cut down his turnovers while continuing to contribute in the other areas. Our weakness is always our post play. Can we defend the bigs? Creighton's big guy actually worries me much more than McD. I'm not sure Walker can keep himself out of foul trouble against him.

We're starting to shoot the ball better and other guys are stepping up some. I really like the chemistry and we have a couple kids red shirting who are going to be big time players as well. I make no bold predictions other than we will be a tough out for a while.

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At the risk of starting a firestorm, I will chime in and defend Doug McDecommitt.

A triple-double is an impressive feat. But at the same time, it is a conjured up stat. Like a mortgage derivative. That not withstanding, a triple-double is very, very impressive. But does a triple-double trump everything else? In my opinion, no. It trumps a lot, but not everything. And not all triple-doubles are alike. And dare I say this, Odum's triple-double met the bare minimum of triple-doubles. His line was 10 pts, 10 rebs and 10 assists. Yes, a triple double, but a mere one less of anything and there is no discussion.

On the other hand, Doug McDecommitt's line vs. Campbell was 31, 11 and 2. A solid double-double. Doug had 8 less assists, but scored 21 more points and came up with one more board than did Odum in his game vs. Fairfield. To value Odum's triple-double effort more than Doug's double-double, you must put so much weight on the 8 additional assists tallied by Odum, that you completely disregard the additional 21 points and 1 extra rebound tallied by Dougie McDecommitt.

To simply say Odum carded a triple-double and should receive the POW award is overly simplistic. I know that if Dougie McDecommitt's double-double wasn't good enough to trump Odum's triple-double, it's very very close and worthy of being in the discussion.

If nothing else, this spices up the board.

I am still trying to figure out who is attacking Mr McDerrmott for you to feel the need to defend him. On the other hand, you refer to Mr Odum's achievement as overly simplistic. Mr. Odum reached a statistical milestone that hasn't been reached for over 3600 games by valley members over a thirteen year period. To discount that is overly simplistic. Keeping track of stats is useful for coaches for a number of reasons for us fans a reason to debate. Congrats to Mr. McD and Mr. O for playing hard and representing the valley in a positive way.

[MoValley John]

At the risk of starting a firestorm, I will chime in and defend Doug McDecommitt.

A triple-double is an impressive feat. But at the same time, it is a conjured up stat. Like a mortgage derivative. That not withstanding, a triple-double is very, very impressive. But does a triple-double trump everything else? In my opinion, no. It trumps a lot, but not everything. And not all triple-doubles are alike. And dare I say this, Odum's triple-double met the bare minimum of triple-doubles. His line was 10 pts, 10 rebs and 10 assists. Yes, a triple double, but a mere one less of anything and there is no discussion.

On the other hand, Doug McDecommitt's line vs. Campbell was 31, 11 and 2. A solid double-double. Doug had 8 less assists, but scored 21 more points and came up with one more board than did Odum in his game vs. Fairfield. To value Odum's triple-double effort more than Doug's double-double, you must put so much weight on the 8 additional assists tallied by Odum, that you completely disregard the additional 21 points and 1 extra rebound tallied by Dougie McDecommitt.

To simply say Odum carded a triple-double and should receive the POW award is overly simplistic. I know that if Dougie McDecommitt's double-double wasn't good enough to trump Odum's triple-double, it's very very close and worthy of being in the discussion.

If nothing else, this spices up the board.

I am still trying to figure out who is attacking Mr McDerrmott for you to feel the need to defend him. On the other hand, you refer to Mr Odum's achievement as overly simplistic. Mr. Odum reached a statistical milestone that hasn't been reached for over 3600 games by valley members over a thirteen year period. To discount that is overly simplistic. Keeping track of stats is useful for coaches for a number of reasons for us fans a reason to debate. Congrats to Mr. McD and Mr. O for playing hard and representing the valley in a positive way.

Where did I ever say I was defending him? I'm not. Go back and reread the first two posts, then my response. I never said I was defending nor that McDermott needed to be defended, I simply gave a rational reason as to why a guy who just went triple-double might not win the award. If you go back and read the title to this thread followed by the posts prior to my first, you will see where I was trying to go, why McDecommitt might be considered for POW that might earn the award over a triple-double. Again, I didn't start the thread!!!!!!! And again, again, reread the title, original posts and try to gain some context!!!

I didn't come up with the title of the thread "Occupy Terra Haute"*xpressing sarcastic outrage as to Mr. Triple Double not winning the award, I gave plausible reasons as to why it may have gone the other way.

*Awesome thread title by the way!!!!!

[BirdmanBB]

Jake Odum doesn't win awards. Awards are named after Jake Odum. (my best Jake Odum/Chuck Norris)

[MoValley John]

And I didn't say that the triple-double was simplistic, I said thinking a guy should win the POW award because he had a triple-double was overly simplistic. Two completely different lines of thinking.

[MoValley John]

Jake Odum doesn't win awards. Awards are named after Jake Odum. (my best Jake Odum/Chuck Norris)

And an awesome one at that!!!!

[give me heart]

Mr. MoValley John, In your own words and I will quote you verbatum, "At the risk of starting a firestorm, I will chime in and defend Doug McDecommitt." Your words, your lead in statement.

Now, let me quote you in a follow up statement, "Where did I ever say I was defending him? I'm not."

lol funny stuff thanks for the laugh

[BirdmanBB]

WSU had VCU at home last year, so I am guessing they will be on the road this year for bracketbusters. Speaking of which. Bracketbusters could be very interesting as the valley could be above and beyond better than all other conferences in it. Needless to say, there aren't going to be many good games to be had. It's almost setting us up as "our bids to lose" weekend.

[MoValley John]

I was defending the SELECTION of Doug McDermott as POW, not Doug the player. Doug needs no defense. I was trying to demonstrate why people in charge of making a selection might choose A over B, or how they could choose B over A. The title of the thread is "Occupy Terra Haute". The sentiment was that Odum was robbed. Doug needs no defense. Doug was chosen, so Doug's stats were used. If Bazooka won the award and the same thread were posted, I would be using Bazooka as a comparison. Likewise, if Odum won the award and a thread popped up, I would use Odum in the comparison.

I guess I could have chimed in and used Torrey Murry instead of McDecommitt.

[give me heart]

I was defending the SELECTION of Doug McDermott as POW, not Doug the player. Doug needs no defense. I was trying to demonstrate why people in charge of making a selection might choose A over B, or how they could choose B over A. The title of the thread is "Occupy Terra Haute". The sentiment was that Odum was robbed. Doug needs no defense. Doug was chosen, so Doug's stats were used. If Bazooka won the award and the same thread were posted, I would be using Bazooka as a comparison. Likewise, if Odum won the award and a thread popped up, I would use Odum in the comparison.

I guess I could have chimed in and used Torrey Murry instead of McDecommitt.

You, sir, were the third post in this thread. There was no sentiment established when you chose to defend your position or not defend it. Whichever it was you were doing. lol still some funny stuff