Creighton to A-10?

[Haha]

If the MVC plucked Milwaukee, the Horizon would be down to eight teams. If the MVC took three from the Horizon, the latter would probably cease to exist having only six far-flung members. The 6-member Horizon and the 10-member Summit Leagues might end up merging (under the name "MCC," perhaps )

The Joke would be on the Valley if they took 3 teams from the Horizon.

[bluejays22]

The only move I would want Creighton to make would be a move to the Big 12. That would be a big jump but Creighton has the facilities and fan base to do this. Geographically and interest wise, it would make way more sense then the A-10 in my opinion. Wichita could also be included in this move for the same reasons.

Yes, neither has football, but Notre Dame is in the Big East without including football, so it wouldn't be impossible.

[MVCfans]

a UW-M fan wrote a lengthy piece on how he sees it possibly working out, interesting read with many scenarios

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/cont ... -a10-moves

That's an interesting piece. I've asked him to share his thoughts on The MVC Report and he agreed. I'll post a link when ready.

[klinky]

George Mason & VCU on Monday denied the rumors.

http://www.sbnation.com/2012/3/26/29035 ... -expanaion

[MVCfans]

Here is Jimmy Lemke's anaylsis of why Wisconsin-Milwaukee would be a good fit for the Valley.

link: The MVC Report - Wiscosin-Milwaukee a candidate for MVC expansion?

[Wufan]

The only move I would want Creighton to make would be a move to the Big 12. That would be a big jump but Creighton has the facilities and fan base to do this. Geographically and interest wise, it would make way more sense then the A-10 in my opinion. Wichita could also be included in this move for the same reasons.

Yes, neither has football, but Notre Dame is in the Big East without including football, so it wouldn't be impossible.

Yeah, I'd be all over this as well. The Big East has a similar set-up with FB/non-FB schools. There has been no talk of adding schools, but CU, WSU, Tulsa, and several Texas schools would all make sense. Of course Mizzu made perfect sense as well.

[oneNEIGHBOR]

Here is Jimmy Lemke's anaylsis of why Wisconsin-Milwaukee would be a good fit for the Valley.

link: The MVC Report - Wiscosin-Milwaukee a candidate for MVC expansion?

He had me sold until he mentioned that their team colors were black and gold.

[Aargh]

I've done financial projections for NYSE companies and have a great track record of nailing them.

30,000 attendance at $40 per seat = $1.2 mill. $1.2 mill times 6 home games = $7.2 mill. 2 OOC suicide games at $1 mill each = $2 mill. I'm assuming you're not buying any OOC home games,which is nearly impossible.

That gives you $9.2 mill to work with.

Head coach $2 mill. Asst coaches $1 mill - You want to compete - right? That leaves you $6.2 mill

200 scholarships (gotta cover the Title IX women's sports). I don't know all the school's tuitions, but let's say it's $25K. That's $5 mill. Now you've got $1.2 mill left.

Travel costs, facilities upgrades (you want to compete -right?), additional facilities for more women's sports, coaching staffs for additional women's sports, insurance for the athletes, then throw in the little stuff - like supplies for trainers. $1.2 mill will disappear so fast it will make your head spin.

To get an average attendance of 30K, you almost have to have a facility that will hold 40 - 50K. Then you have to actually be able to put those butts in seats. It's a huge struggle to raise attendance from 10 - 20K to 20 - 40K. You've got to be able to get an additional 10K to 20K people there, and that's unlikely for a school with minimal tradition and following.

Before I hear the "we've got great tradition", Kansas and Kansas State really struggle to put 40K in their places unless they're having a great year or their opponents buy 20K tickets. Those schools have been in the highest FB classification FOREVER and they're in a BCS conference. If Kansas State didn't get the big bucks from the B12's BCS appearances, their athletic department would be bankrupt.

[getreal4]

Disparity in MVC schools men's BB budgets makes for different agendas and forces the top teams to look for better longterm opportunities. Elgin & the have not schools certainly aren't looking out for the Jay's best interests. MVC needs the Jays, would be a huge step down without them.

[TylerDurden]

I've done financial projections for NYSE companies and have a great track record of nailing them.

30,000 attendance at $40 per seat = $1.2 mill. $1.2 mill times 6 home games = $7.2 mill. 2 OOC suicide games at $1 mill each = $2 mill. I'm assuming you're not buying any OOC home games,which is nearly impossible.

That gives you $9.2 mill to work with.

Head coach $2 mill. Asst coaches $1 mill - You want to compete - right? That leaves you $6.2 mill

200 scholarships (gotta cover the Title IX women's sports). I don't know all the school's tuitions, but let's say it's $25K. That's $5 mill. Now you've got $1.2 mill left.

Travel costs, facilities upgrades (you want to compete -right?), additional facilities for more women's sports, coaching staffs for additional women's sports, insurance for the athletes, then throw in the little stuff - like supplies for trainers. $1.2 mill will disappear so fast it will make your head spin.

To get an average attendance of 30K, you almost have to have a facility that will hold 40 - 50K. Then you have to actually be able to put those butts in seats. It's a huge struggle to raise attendance from 10 - 20K to 20 - 40K. You've got to be able to get an additional 10K to 20K people there, and that's unlikely for a school with minimal tradition and following.

Before I hear the "we've got great tradition", Kansas and Kansas State really struggle to put 40K in their places unless they're having a great year or their opponents buy 20K tickets. Those schools have been in the highest FB classification FOREVER and they're in a BCS conference. If Kansas State didn't get the big bucks from the B12's BCS appearances, their athletic department would be bankrupt.

+1

Football may have some peripheral benefits initially, but after that honeymoon phase is over, you're in a worse position than where you began.

Any MVC school moving up to FBS instantly becomes a Sun Belt school, only worse.