Baker/VanVleet - Baker/VanVleet

[Ricardo del Rio]

It's really kind of goofy to bring this back up. 4 good young MVC players. THE WSU duo has a big edge right now due to their contribution to a F4 team. But Marshall is one of the better young guards I've seen. And Thurman has a ton of potential.

Why don't we bring this up again in 3 years?

By the time that Marshall and Thurman graduate, they will take their place among the all time Valley greats - Oscar, Bird, X, Dougie, Hawkins, Chet the Jet, Wes Unseld, Mo Cheeks, etc.

[glm38]

It's really kind of goofy to bring this back up. 4 good young MVC players. THE WSU duo has a big edge right now due to their contribution to a F4 team. But Marshall is one of the better young guards I've seen. And Thurman has a ton of potential.

Why don't we bring this up again in 3 years?

OK. We will. Book it.

Let's also take an accounting of whose teams perform the best over the next three years of their careers. Both are guards, both play PG. Like a quarterback, they are judged on how well their team performs, not just their individual stats.

Both Baker and VanVleet have a 30-win season and a Final Four in the credit column on the ledger. Not a bad place to start, but 3 more years is a long time. Thurman and Marshall might equal and surpass that mark. Time will tell.

Can I get in on the beer in STL action or has that offer expired for some reason?

You've got the wrong guy. I never was in on any bet. Just defending my guys.

[glm38]

It's really kind of goofy to bring this back up. 4 good young MVC players. THE WSU duo has a big edge right now due to their contribution to a F4 team. But Marshall is one of the better young guards I've seen. And Thurman has a ton of potential.

Why don't we bring this up again in 3 years?

By the time that Marshall and Thurman graduate, they will take their place among the all time Valley greats - Oscar, Bird, X, Dougie, Hawkins, Chet the Jet, Wes Unseld, Mo Cheeks, etc.

Where is that coming from? All anybody (Bears or Shox fans) has said is that all 4 are very good young players. Who said anything about all time great status for any of them?

[valleychamp]

It's really kind of goofy to bring this back up. 4 good young MVC players. THE WSU duo has a big edge right now due to their contribution to a F4 team. But Marshall is one of the better young guards I've seen. And Thurman has a ton of potential.

Why don't we bring this up again in 3 years?

By the time that Marshall and Thurman graduate, they will take their place among the all time Valley greats - Oscar, Bird, X, Dougie, Hawkins, Chet the Jet, Wes Unseld, Mo Cheeks, etc.

Where is that coming from? All anybody (Bears or Shox fans) has said is that all 4 are very good young players. Who said anything about all time great status for any of them?

It comes from them. Isaso and RDR always have been two very weird and insecure posters.

[Aargh]

Between Baker and VanVleet, they had 14 assists and 2 turnovers today.

For the season, that's 45 assists and 11 TO's. Better than a 4:1 A/TO ratio.

[iSASO]

What an awful line for Baker today. I can understand why several of you don't get why everyone likes him.

[CBB_Fan]

What an awful line for Baker today. I can understand why several of you don't get why everyone likes him.

Yeah, I hate when a player has an awful shooting night (2-10 FG, 1-5 3PT), and doesn't do anything else to make up for it. I mean, only 7 assists (0 TOs) and 8 rebounds? Only 2 steals? 0 blocks? Chump.

[BEARZ77]

Baker is no different than any other player in the league; accolades will come as he consistently plays at a high level. What has gotten the automatic gag reflex from many is the attempt to make him something he has yet to prove he is and the fact if you even mention an area of weakness you get snarling and gnashing of teeth beyond reason.

Let the kid have a great season, then you can promote the hell out of something that has been sustained rather than just hinted at.

[glm38]

What an awful line for Baker today. I can understand why several of you don't get why everyone likes him.

Yeah, I hate when a player has an awful shooting night (2-10 FG, 1-5 3PT), and doesn't do anything else to make up for it. I mean, only 7 assists (0 TOs) and 8 rebounds? Only 2 steals? 0 blocks? Chump.

I'd be willing to bet most posters on this board recognize a player can have a horrendous shooting night like Baker and VF did in this one but still contribute in a lot of other ways. Bears fans for instance recognize that Keith Pickens might very well be our best all around player despite the fact that he's not a big scorer.

I've got a lot of respect for both of these players. Particularly Baker.

[Black]

Baker is no different than any other player in the league; accolades will come as he consistently plays at a high level. What has gotten the automatic gag reflex from many is the attempt to make him something he has yet to prove he is and the fact if you even mention an area of weakness you get snarling and gnashing of teeth beyond reason.

Let the kid have a great season, then you can promote the hell out of something that has been sustained rather than just hinted at.

What is a "great season" by your standards? Is an NCAA run to the Final Four not great enough for you?